Will you assimilate your children into trekkers?
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Ditto.
My parents watched TOS in syndication. And I watched as a kid. I was excited when TNG came on the air.
But my parents didn’t turn me into a Trekker. They made it available for me to watch. The choice to like it was mine alone. They also didn’t go to cons, and they didn’t wear their fandom.
But my parents didn’t turn me into a Trekker. They made it available for me to watch. The choice to like it was mine alone. They also didn’t go to cons, and they didn’t wear their fandom.
Maybe that was the point.This can really be taken a different way.
I am the first-generation Trekker in my family. I'm also the last.
I'm gonna have to wait and see, if nutrek content is popular I probably won't.
You're better off feeding your kids fruitloops and good television than bad television/social environment while eating potatoes and spinach.
I've already determined I don't want anything marvel in my kids background. The more popular it is the stricter i'm gonna have to be with letting them being exposed to it.
My future kids aren't being raised by corporations trying to milk their brains for all they're worth.
Star Wars is tricky, if it's just the OT sure, but I'm not buying my kids a kylo ren action figure.
once you open the door to something like that the door is stuck open. Ideally my kids will be raised on trek, but I'm so apprehensive to kids being exposed to corporate garbage/smart phones/videos games, nihilist politics etc.
Star trek is a massive massive part of who I am. It's basically my religion. If I'm exposing them to religion, I'm not having them reading verses of pretenders.
I view childrens entertainment as education first, any brand that isn't interest in that is a waste of my future kids time.
I also think parents make the mistake of letting their kids get into hobbies they don't care for. if you're involved in your kids life, why would you encourage them to be doing something you hate?
You're better off feeding your kids fruitloops and good television than bad television/social environment while eating potatoes and spinach.
I've already determined I don't want anything marvel in my kids background. The more popular it is the stricter i'm gonna have to be with letting them being exposed to it.
My future kids aren't being raised by corporations trying to milk their brains for all they're worth.
Star Wars is tricky, if it's just the OT sure, but I'm not buying my kids a kylo ren action figure.
once you open the door to something like that the door is stuck open. Ideally my kids will be raised on trek, but I'm so apprehensive to kids being exposed to corporate garbage/smart phones/videos games, nihilist politics etc.
Star trek is a massive massive part of who I am. It's basically my religion. If I'm exposing them to religion, I'm not having them reading verses of pretenders.
I view childrens entertainment as education first, any brand that isn't interest in that is a waste of my future kids time.
I also think parents make the mistake of letting their kids get into hobbies they don't care for. if you're involved in your kids life, why would you encourage them to be doing something you hate?
Popular does not always equal bad.
Fair, but bear in mind that artistic merit can emerge despite the socio-political conditions under which art was made. Shakespeare's plays were in part literal Tudor state propaganda, yet Henry V is still one of the greatest plays in English-language history.
Ah, c'mon, man. Kids have a right to recreation too. Entertainment is not inherently a waste of time just because it's not educational.
Because my kids will have the right to form their own identities and develop their own interests, separate from me. They're entire persons, not extensions of myself.
What a silly thing to say.
no but if it is popular and bad it is in your home for good, you can't stop it.
all media is corporate if you're getting technically, I'm specifically referring to assembly line garbage like disney.
No, but there's no shortage of good content.
It isn't just educational per se, but value building, a lot of shows like nu trek, just come across as thinly vailed nihilism.
They can form their identities all they want, they're not getting exposed to cell phones, bad phone and bad art until they can pay for it themselves.
Reality is there's a generation of kids who suffer from awful parenting. Diabetes alone is something that is just way out of control. But there's no shortages of vices like video game addiction, porn addiction etc creeping into the picture. A lot of these kids lives are ruined before they even get started.
no that's exactly what it is. If marvel enters your house it's stuck in there. Once you open that door you can't close it.
As kids they'll wonder what your watching as parents, if they like it, good, if not, owell, everybody is different. My dad likes Trek, I like Trek, my brothers couldn't care less for it. But it is nice when your kid likes some of the same stuff as you so now you have a partner. My ex didn't like trek, she didn't poo poo it, she knew it was apart of me, and accepted it. She just wasn't interested, so I watched it alone.
Just imagine if our forebears had taken that attitude. Trollope, Dickens, Austen, the Bronte's, Chaucer, etc...
Really, don't you recall when your authority figures said no and you wanted that banned thing all the more?
But... if you truly believe that your own children won't develop their own tastes and sensibilities... what you gonna do, lock them in the basement all their lives?
Utter nonsense.
Utter nonsense. Every single ST series produced since 2017 has actively rejected nihilism.
Except you didn't frame it as "bad stuff." You explicitly said you didn't want your kids exposed to stuff you don't subjectively enjoy. That goes way beyond protecting them from "bad stuff" -- that's trying to force your identity onto them.
Anyway, kids need to be exposed to some bad art in order to develop a sense of what constitutes good art -- and in order to develop their own unique set of tastes. Trying to keep them from "bad art" is, indeed, an attempt to stifle the formation of their own identity.
Sometimes kids need trash, sorry.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
I'll correct myself, pike for sure he gets a pass on that one.
But everything else, no. It's nihilism just people unaware they live in a nihilist mindset.
Two interrelated things.
Stage 1: I don't want my kids exposed to corporate crap period.
Stage 2: Even stuff that isn't crap, I'm gonna be careful about.
Stage 3: If I'm gonna support cater an interest, I'm gonna make sure it's something I can sustain and enjoy with them. instead of being yet another parent playing along with something that ultimately causes them to resent spending time with their kids. Might be harsh but there's a whole lot of parents like that. a massive proportion would rather a phone raise their kids than investing the time in them.
Your kids are a blank slate, they are gonna adapt to what they're exposed to.
People just take it for granted that it's too much effort to keep things under control.
I'm not claiming just because something is half way educational, that it can't be bad.
Filtering out 90% of things still leaves behind a mountain of content. Good bad fun whatever.
And they can find it on their own sure. But I'm not paying for it. The idea you're suppose to fund your kids activities is unfounded.
When you have an entire population of consuming chinese tea everything.
Disney is marketing gambling ads to kids with ESPN, the whole movie going experience is all about getting people to consume bad unhealthy food.
It's 2023, it's pretty clear cut the majority of kids have problem eating, social norms, or gaming/phone usage problems.
Things spill over into eachother.
It's all about what dream will make you happy. Corporate world loves to package things together.
of course and when I made my own money, I started eating mcdonalds etc. quite happy my parents didn't spoil me with mcdonalds, nor did they drive me from point a to point b, so I never grew up assuming car dependency is a normal state of being.
I'm just not gonna pay for it. Pretty simple. They get a paper route or whatever they can do what they want.
If you want them to stay in the basement all the time just give them an iphone.
if you want them to build their own place in the world don't give them degenerate technology.
Only if you define "nihilism" to mean the exact opposite of what it means. Every single ST series produced by Paramount+ has argued strenuously that our actions have moral value and that that value matters. Every ST series produced by Paramount+ has argued strenuously that betraying morality is a bad thing. That is the exact opposite of nihilism.
Or, alternately, you could be encouraging and supportive of them even when it's something you're not interested in subjectively, and use it as an opportunity to encourage them to develop their interest independently of you and to find friends who share that interest.
Now you're just rationalizing your desire to impose your interests on your kids.
Nope. Kids' personalities are a result of a complex interaction of both nurture and nature, and trying to argue they're a blank slate is just nonsense.
More rationalizing your desire not to allow your children to develop interests other than your own.
Arguing for something and follow through are very different things. If anything I'd describe discovery as a desperate desire to have meaning and value and having none of the ability to execute it.
It's the little moments like tilly getting high while on a mission to Qa'nos.
Tilly is an indulgent personality, just one example of many where the nihilism bleeds through.
You can't want to be something and just be a person seeking out pleasure and pain reduction.
Within reason. i'm not turning into a marvel household, when a trek household makes more sense.
The do their own thing independently, means something when they are actually doing something independently.
marvel is the epitome of dads etc checking out and taking an easy planned out path.
Depends on the activity, if their friends are just video game addicts, I'm gonna pass on that.
Technology is a highly overpowered drug. it's like getting a kid addicted to gambling at the age of 8 or 9.
It's the same thing you should apply to any person. If you're not interested in something your wife likes, don't pretend to be. You find things you can share, and build together.
yeah it's both, you can't control whether or not your kid is gonna be a total asshole etc. it's the reason you maximize what you can do on the environment side of the equation.
you never know what kind of kid you're gonna end up with. you never know if your kid will be prone to addiction, violence, sexual assault, vulnerable to getting raped etc.
All you can do is be careful on what you choose to expose them to.
Depends on the interest, yeah I'm a totalitarian with what they do with phones, media etc.
I never grew up with a phone, my wife never grew up with a tv, and we see what happens when people do.
you're trying to fuel this idea that kids just rebel against totalitarian parenting. They rebel regardless of what they do. But they start from a base.
