But SNW derived from the response to Mount's performance as Pike in S2 of Disco. Are you saying you would have preferred a new show without Mount, Peck and Romijn? That's fair enough, but remember this was an unplanned spin-off.
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But SNW derived from the response to Mount's performance as Pike in S2 of Disco. Are you saying you would have preferred a new show without Mount, Peck and Romijn? That's fair enough, but remember this was an unplanned spin-off.
I look at this way: we have a new 'actor' on SNW playing the Enterprise, just as we have new actors playing Pike, Number One, and Spock. On DS9, TNG, and ENT, we had the old 'actor' playing the role of Enterprise. Simple as that.
I think they had work done.
She definitely had her Nacelles done.I think they had work done.
I never understand people who serm to conflate "respecting the source material" and "being exactly the same."
At a certain point, a TV show about a spaceship moving at warp speed but using floppy discs in their computers makes no sense at all being aired when floppy discs have been gone for 25 years.
They did the best they could in TOS with a much more limited budget and effect capabilities. It does not mean, and should not mean, that Klingons cannot have ridges, or that Gorn must forever be guys in a foam suit. Or that we have to have floppy discs, or TNG laptops, on the bridge of a starship. Or that the women on the ship have to be in short skirts the whole time. We are past some of that stuff NOW.
This franchise goes above and beyond to try and respect cannon and prior iterations. Do they always get it exactly right? Nope. But Koenig seems to be OK with it. Takei dies not complain. Never heard a discouraging word from Nichelle. Or Shatner, really. Now, did they agree with everything? Probably not.
It is no fun for any of the actors to play Pike, Spock, Chapel, Kirk, etc. if there cannot be a new dimension explored or take on the character.
We see Pike for one episode in The Cage. A couple days? Does it make sense for the harsh, militaristic captain to inspire such loyalty in Spock that he steals the Entetprise (again) to help Pike later? Or does it make more sense he'd fo it for Mount's Pike?
Sequel.
Prequel.
I see it's that time again...
Every week. Fucking asinine whining about 'respecting' canon. Sick of it.
I don't respect canon, so it would be hard to respect a lot of its more vociferous adherents.
There is no problem.
Yes.
Why? Our floppy discs might be primitive, but their's don't have to be. Those discs could be entire computers onto themselves. Star Trek is pure fiction, not current reality. We don't have ships that can fly across planets nor replicators that can create things out of thin air. Episodes might deal with current issues, but that doesn't mean the tech has to be exactly the same of whatever time the current show is airing in. Otherwise these would all be stories based on Earth.
It made total sense for Spock to do it for Hunter's Pike because:
1) the two part episode did a great job of explaining his prior service with him. I don't need to see private time drinking in the captain's quarters to get Spock's loyalty for him.
2.) At this point in the show we already knew of Spock's loyalty to Kirk. It makes perfect sense that he would have the same with his prior captain especially if it was a long service. People who serve together for long periods of time tend to create those type of bonds. The franchise has done a great job of showing that over the years.
PS: Should also add that we DID see the return of the TOS discs in this past episode.
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SNW is a really well made show, but week on week we can't really talk about it. There are themes and subtexts within tightly written episodes, moving or surprising performances, beautiful design work and cinematography...
Yet every time, because of a few anal retentive people then each conversation descends into "well, the bridge doesn't look like it did in TOS, I wonder how they will explain it eventually...". Canon dominates the conversation again and again and again.
Here's the thing, friends and gentle-beings, the 'canon' things that you want to happen are not going to happen. Chapel is not going to transform into a piece of wood. The (beautiful) 2022 Enterprise bridge that SNW has is not going to devolve into a 1960s set (that had already started to look creaky by the 1970s... FFS).
Basically those who hold canon to be some kind of holy-writ are going to be disappointed as SNW slowly develops into the exact opposite of what they want it to.
Yet every time, because of a few anal retentive people then each conversation descends into "well, the bridge doesn't look like it did in TOS, I wonder how they will explain it eventually...". Canon dominates the conversation again and again and again.
Here's the thing, friends and gentle-beings, the 'canon' things that you want to happen are not going to happen. Chapel is not going to transform into a piece of wood. The (beautiful) 2022 Enterprise bridge that SNW has is not going to devolve into a 1960s set (that had already started to look creaky by the 1970s... FFS).
Basically those who hold canon to be some kind of holy-writ are going to be disappointed as SNW slowly develops into the exact opposite of what they want it to.
I think at this point in time there are many who thrive on the disappointment.
As I once said before, if perceived 'problems' in Star Trek canon were the primary source of my daily anxiety, I would sleep much better at night.
And unfortunately, one reason why Trek got stagnant on TV before the 2009 movie was because the desire to shoehorn everything into canon got it caught in a creative rut, as well as turning off people who wanted to tune in and see what the show was about.
Broadcast TV was a different beast in the 90's and early 00's.
When TNG, DS9 and VOY went back in time (and ENT jumped forward), the idea was for these episodes to be somewhat nostalgic for TOS and the sets were painstakingly recreated (and slightly streamlined for ENT).
Enterprise went off the air almost 20 years ago; and all the nostalgia nowadays is for TNG via ST:P.
Any new show that relied entirely on nostalgia would hardly get through a single season and certainly wouldn't have any lasting power. Kelvin, DSC and SNW all tried to recreate TOS for the modern audience, and I personally think that SNW has gotten the best mix of modern and nostalgia.
Speaking for myself, I have no problem with how SNW looks (although I still don’t like the Discoprise design, but that’s a personal preference.) And I would be the first person to say (and I’ve said this many times) that making the show look like a ‘60’s production just to appease people that it takes place in the same ‘universe’ would be quite stupid.
My issue has always been that if you’re going to advertise your product as being a prequel to something, then either make it look like the thing you’re being a prequel to, or don’t make it a prequel. Make it a reboot. I find that I enjoy SNW just fine when I don’t take it so literally as actually taking place 5 years before TOS. I also feel that the writers for the show are being hamstrung by needing to maintain consistency with a 55+ year show. Sometimes there might be some good storytelling there, but mostly you’re still needing to follow what someone else has done because you’re putting ‘respecting canon’ above actual creativity.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I agree with what you've said elsewhere regarding DSC/SNW. They are a reboot in everything but name.
(I always get a bit nervous when you quote me because you're a bit scary and I think you're going to say something mean... )
For those of you who want it to look exactly like TOS, how would you go about that? Would you want the same materials used in building the sets? The same lighting? The same cameras, the same special effects? The same resolution on your tv? Because to have it look the same you would have to have all those things and probably many that I am not even aware of.
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