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Gotham Knights television series

Indeed. Before the CW's implosion, the show would doubtless have run until it sucked out loud and we were all praying for cancellation. :lol:

Still, Superman & Lois was renewed, which is the far more important thing.


I heard that The CW's new owners, Nexstar, have been criticized for their conservative political views. And I can't help noticing that they renewed the DC show that has no queer characters (I don't count Sarah getting kissed off-camera by a girl once and not following through on it) and cancelled the one that has three. The CW used to be such a welcoming place both for sci-fi/comics fans and for LGBTQ viewers and creators. I guess that's gone now.
 
I heard that The CW's new owners, Nexstar, have been criticized for their conservative political views. And I can't help noticing that they renewed the DC show that has no queer characters (I don't count Sarah getting kissed off-camera by a girl once and not following through on it) and cancelled the one that has three. The CW used to be such a welcoming place both for sci-fi/comics fans and for LGBTQ viewers and creators. I guess that's gone now.

There's a report on the AV Club website that they're going to air a series about the life of Jesus created and written by one of the authors of the 'Left Behind' novels.
 
There's a report on the AV Club website that they're going to air a series about the life of Jesus created and written by one of the authors of the 'Left Behind' novels.

I'd heard about the series, but not the authorship. And they bought three seasons up front -- who does that? I thought the reason they revamped the network was to try to make it more conventionally profitable, but they're willing to risk buying three seasons of a show they don't know will succeed? Well, I guess it's a given that their target audience will watch.
 
The CW is now running low on superhero shows... it can only mean one thing.

They canned the Arrowverse to make way for a CW reboot of Bibleman.
 
I heard that The CW's new owners, Nexstar, have been criticized for their conservative political views. And I can't help noticing that they renewed the DC show that has no queer characters (I don't count Sarah getting kissed off-camera by a girl once and not following through on it) and cancelled the one that has three. The CW used to be such a welcoming place both for sci-fi/comics fans and for LGBTQ viewers and creators. I guess that's gone now.

Christopher, regardless of representation (as a gay man I love to see it), but let's be very clear here. The driving force of the pickup they got from the CW wasn't shows fitting the agenda of the owners (they certainly wouldn't have picked up both All American shows if that was the case). They picked the four strongest shows in the ratings. And unlike the former CW which basically ran the CW at a loss every single year it was out (just to make money in things like cable reruns (Supernatural), overseas sales (things like Dynasty), and for most of the rest (Streaming which for the most part was Netflix, until the last two or three years). Nextstar doesn't have that option, at least currently. So if they are going to grab any previous shows from the CW (and they had to get at least one) then they are going to go with the shows that did the best in revenue that they will be collecting. And thats broadcast and DVR commercial ratings, and the four they picked up are the four strongest performing shows in those metrics.

And they have picked up shows that have already been produced (some already aired) from outside of the US markets and a few of them do have LGBTQ representation at some level. So they haven't made a decision to bar that type of material from their channel. They are just only going to use it if the price is right. And most productions outside of the US are dramatically cheaper then even the standard fair from the CW (and thats with most of that show in Canada to help keep the budgets around 2 million an episode. Nextstar is trying to create a market for shows with a million dollar price tag an episode and lower.

Let's talk about the Chosen. They are paying a license agreement to air three seasons of the show. The show that was already made. They are not paying much money for this. The three years worth will easily be cheaper than a single season of for example Gotham Knights.

Hell, to show how money is such a factor, it was wildly expected for them to green light a Waltons show. They passed because even if it's the type of show they are actually looking for it was too expensive.

Look at the first two shows they have licensed, they have already aired two weeks. One is outperforming the last few episodes of Gotham Knights, the other is doing a little worse. And both are substantially cheaper, as they are shows that were already made. They aren't covering those costs.

Now I think it's still very likely that Nextstar will fail. Most of the shows they are licensing means that they don't get streaming or any outside of US broadcast revenue. That revenue stream for US broadcast has been rapidly dying. But who knows maybe they will grab an audience. I do doubt it though.

Now you might wonder why would the CW offer such a significant drop in license fee for Superman & Lois versus something like Gotham Knights (a show that cost less roughly half of what Superman & Lois does). My personal guess would be since Gotham Knights is new its ability to generate revenue off network isn't a really known factor, while a show that has been around a couple years already they have a much stronger since of how much the show earns off network.
 
Christians would hate to see a show about their favourite superhero flop. I imagine the 3 season order is to ensure it's seen as more successful than Gotham Nights at the very least.

Can't wait for the Bible Expanded Universe spin-off shows.
 
Christopher, regardless of representation (as a gay man I love to see it), but let's be very clear here. The driving force of the pickup they got from the CW wasn't shows fitting the agenda of the owners (they certainly wouldn't have picked up both All American shows if that was the case). They picked the four strongest shows in the ratings.

Maybe, but ratings have to be weighed against budget; it's the ratio of the two that matters, so a lower-budget show can get renewed with lower ratings than a more expensive show. And reportedly Gotham Knights was the least expensive DC show The CW ever had, since it had fewer name actors and less VFX and stunt work than the others. Whereas S&L is an expensive show and they had to cut its budget to justify its renewal. So it seems to me that they were more inclined to make an effort to keep S&L around despite its cost. Maybe that's just because of ratings, sure, but whether it's intentional or not, it will be a shame that the only remaining DC show on the network will be the most heteronormative one.
 
I'm disappointed but not surprised. Given that the whole CW superhero era seems to be winding down, and that there's a big push to relaunch DC shows and movies under a whole new regime, this show always seemed like a lame duck that was being burned off because, "what the hell, we already paid for it so we might as well air it."

It's a relic of the old regime.

We should probably be thankful that it wasn't just written off as a tax deduction like the Batgirl movie.

And, yes, for better or for worse, "The Chosen" isn't a new show. All three seasons have already been produced and aired elsewhere. The CW is just rerunning a preexisting show, possibly as a response to the Writers Strike?

(I have at least one devoutly Christian friend who is a big fan and has been posting about it for a few years now.)
 
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And as far as the renewal for Superman & Lois (the consistently #2 highest rated show on their Network); they only did a 10 episode 4th season order, and further cut the budget per episode significantly to the point that it's down to 4 series regulars, with the rest of the previous cast regulars downgraded to either not showing up at all during the next season (IE Fired), or having very limited appearances in it.

So yeah the CW is doing everything as low budget as is possible for them to do.
 
with the rest of the previous cast regulars downgraded to either not showing up at all during the next season (IE Fired), or having very limited appearances in it.

I don't think we know yet how much or little they may appear. Yes, they're going to be guest stars at most, but many major TV characters are guest stars rather than main-cast regulars (for instance, Peia and Matteo are non-regulars in the current season but are both quite important to the storyline). I believe what the producers said is that they're hoping the ex-regulars will be willing to return for guest appearances as their availability permits. They're probably going to work out the storyline based on who's willing and able to return.
 
And as far as the renewal for Superman & Lois (the consistently #2 highest rated show on their Network); they only did a 10 episode 4th season order, and further cut the budget per episode significantly to the point that it's down to 4 series regulars, with the rest of the previous cast regulars downgraded to either not showing up at all during the next season (IE Fired), or having very limited appearances in it.

So yeah the CW is doing everything as low budget as is possible for them to do.
Though it's true S&L is only retaining four current regulars, it will actually have five regular cast members next season. Michael Cudlitz is being added as Lex Luthor.
 
Just watched tonight's penultimate ep, heading into the big finale. I'm hoping that, at least, we see Harvey finally become Two-Face before the series wraps up.

Tonight, when he rejected Rebecca within her reach of her mad-scientist lab equipment, I really expected that she would hurl some conveniently at-hand acid in his face . . . .
 
Well, that was a hell of a wild swerve the story took. We thought the Knights would have to expose the Court of Owls in the finale, but the Owls have already been cast aside by the final boss. And it looks like she's planning to unleash Harvey's dark side to be her partner in crime.

Interesting that they were talking about buildings skipping 13th floors due to superstition as an old-fashioned practice, even a relic from a forgotten era of history. Has that really fallen out of favor? Are people less superstitious than they used to be? Seems unlikely, given that the masses seem more gullible than ever these days.
 
Well, that was a hell of a wild swerve the story took. We thought the Knights would have to expose the Court of Owls in the finale, but the Owls have already been cast aside by the final boss. And it looks like she's planning to unleash Harvey's dark side to be her partner in crime.

Interesting that they were talking about buildings skipping 13th floors due to superstition as an old-fashioned practice, even a relic from a forgotten era of history. Has that really fallen out of favor? Are people less superstitious than they used to be? Seems unlikely, given that the masses seem more gullible than ever these days.

I have to admit I found it little hard to believe that Bruce Wayne would be unaware of a secret floor in his own headquarters, but the plot required it . . . .

And apparently I was wrong in my prediction that Brody would become the new Talon.

FYI: the twist in which the Court, in one bold offensive, resurrects a whole slew of long-dead Talons comes straight from a comics plotline.
 
Interesting that they were talking about buildings skipping 13th floors due to superstition as an old-fashioned practice, even a relic from a forgotten era of history. Has that really fallen out of favor? Are people less superstitious than they used to be? Seems unlikely, given that the masses seem more gullible than ever these days.
Skipping the 13th floor is so pointless... people on the 14th floor, you know what's up
 
FYI: the twist in which the Court, in one bold offensive, resurrects a whole slew of long-dead Talons comes straight from a comics plotline.

As I've mentioned before, this show is surprisingly faithful to the comics given that its lead character is invented from whole cloth.
 
Finally watched the trailer, and, my contribution is: how the heck is a CW show about modern teens who can't attend school supposed to work? Obviously shows like Smallville and Riverdale never cared about actual academics, but the characters' lives are still shown as orbiting around their schools. Will they just be an underground Team Arrow whose members happen to be underage?
Now that the show has actually aired, but I haven't seen it, was the above speculation more or less accurate? :p
 
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