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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Yup. Back in the late-2010s, it was "The Orville vs. Discovery". Now, the new debate looks like it's going to shape up to be "Strange New Worlds vs. Legacy". That's the direction it seems to be going in.

The same argument, just change the names of the series.

EDITED TO ADD: I tend to think of SNW as less of a spin-off from DSC and more of a break-off.

That or Academy vs. Legacy
 
That or Academy vs. Legacy
I'm not seeing it. I don't see too much excitement or resentment toward SFA. When it shows up, it's going to be to be there. Some people will drag out the tired, old "90210!" dig, but nothing more serious than that.

As opposed to Legacy and SNW, which seem to represent very different ideas about which direction Star Trek should go. No one will see SFA as The Main Star Trek Show, whereas I expect fandoms in Legacy and SNW to have that fight. "It doesn't need to happen!" No, it doesn't. But it will.
 
SNW could have avoided the "Gorn Continuity Controversy" by simply making the legacy villain the Tholians.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AMAZING!

There's no need to not make them the Gorn either.
Option 1: Make them the Gorn. Now you have to say "Story is more important than canon!" (If there is no problem with these unstoppable killing lizards being Gorn then why are we leading with "storytelling beats canon"? Goldsman seems to think there's an issue.)

Option 2: DON'T make them the Gorn. The story now... suffers? How?
 
Option 2: DON'T make them the Gorn. The story now... suffers? How?
Where are they now questions?

Again, preference. I'd rather learn more about the Gorn that have a new race inserted in. Same with Kane's character.

Three if it's well done ultimately I will not care. I am not watching TOS back to back and taking notes. So, if they are not the Gorn, fine. To quote God, "Nuke the lizards."

ETA: And personally, I'm not fussed one way or the other. I just know so little about the Gorn that having more doesn't strike me as a bad thing. But if they were not the Gorn then I wouldn't miss them one way or the other.

I guess controversial opinion time: I don't care.
 
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"I really wanted to use a classic race and I thought 'What if there was a species that was just NEVER on time'? What would that be like? And I thought, BAM! Tholians!"
 
Anyways, controversial opinion = Data's really not that impressive as an AI. The positronic hardware is impressive and has medical uses, as seen in DS9 where Bashir uses positronic implants to compensate for brain damage - though I don't think we know if that technology comes from Soong's research or not. I think in chasing the goal of replicating humanity with this very human-like hardware ended up being a bit of a false start. The Doctor is much more impressive as an AI, and he runs on standard starship hardware.

I've never viewed Data as impressive AI when The Old Ones / Korby's androids from TOS' "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" were capable of receiving a full transfer of human memory / identity to an artificial body appearing indistinguishable from a human, which would seem to be far more advanced than the Pinocchio stand-in in the form of Data.
 
Perhaps in the Trek universe, the proposed Franco-British Union actually came into existence, perhaps in 1940 or 1956, or even at a later date? :eek:

There was a "European Hegemony" before WWIII it's possible that it was a unified state with the old nation states becoming (or even getting portioned off into) something like the states constituting the US. It's also possible that English simply constituted the lingua franca of that state, was the main language used in trade, administration and education (maybe even entertainment) and over time that relegated the other languages of the member states to a less prominent position, not extinct, but the vast majority of people would grow up learning English alongside their "native" language, leading to people to sounding like native English speakers.
After the Hegemony perished this practice continued, and was even invigorated after the establishment of the United Earth.

As to why the European Hegemony would have done that...as a first attempt at a "world government" it might have chosen English specifically to promote close ties to the US, Canada and Australia in hopes of fostering into a future union with those countries.
 
I've never viewed Data as impressive AI when The Old Ones / Korby's androids from TOS' "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" were capable of receiving a full transfer of human memory / identity to an artificial body appearing indistinguishable from a human, which would seem to be far more advanced than the Pinocchio stand-in in the form of Data.
Data didn't learn anything in 7 seasons. My dog is smarter than him.
 
Perhaps in the Trek universe, the proposed Franco-British Union actually came into existence, perhaps in 1940 or 1956, or even at a later date? :eek:

We do know that in the 22nd century a huge international alliance known as the European Hegemony came into existence and during the timeframe that more or less lines up with humanity finally ending war, poverty and hunger along with tackling or curing most diseases and the establishment of the world government. Maybe the European Hegemony is partially responsible for so many cultural and linguistic similarities between Trek Era Britain and France?
 
Why not? I can see some fans complain that it's unlike Tholians to be this overtly aggressive, but it would fit the timeline far better than Gorn. Unfortunately they're just less recognizable and probably more expensive.
The Tholians as presented would not fit fan expectations.
 
So, might as well expand on what we barely knew we knew.

That's exactly what those who slavishly adhere to continuity want. Expand what we know. Don't contradict it. Add to the art, not change it wholesale to fit artistic whim


There's no need to not make them the Gorn either.

Ultimately, it is preference.

By this reasoning why not just make them Romulan or Klingons or Deltans instead of Gorn. Don't change anything. Keep the aliens reptiles that pop out of the hosts chests, but say they are Klingons, this what the Klingons are now. It's our artistic license and story trumps continuity every time.
 
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