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I found it more ridiculous that Kirk provided him access to any of the archives without knowing more about him first.

I think Kirk seriously underestimated Khan, who at the time he gave him access was just a man a couple centuries behind Kirk in technical knowledge. He didn't anticipate that he would learn all he did as quickly as he did.

One of the occasions where Kirk made a severe tactical error.
 
There was no need for Guinan to be in "Yesterday's Enterprise." Tasha is a noble enough character to have decided that the right thing to do was to go with the C all on her own, without any mystical prodding. I think it lessened her character to have to be shown. Also, a civilian bartender on a battleship makes no sense.
 
Guinan was the reason the Enterprise C went back, though. She had some mystical trans-temporal knowledge that things weren't the way they were supposed to be.
I'm saying there was no need for that at all. Picard and Garrett (and Tasha) were Starfleet officers of strong character who could, on their own, without mystical prompting, realize what The Right Thing to Do™ was.

Picard: "If you'd been able to help the Klingons, we may have averted this damn war."
Garret: "Then... we have to go back! But we lost so many crew..."
Yar: "If it can prevent this war, I volunteer to go with you."
Ryker: "I wish we had a bartender."
Picard: "Shut up, Will."
 
Picard: "If you'd been able to help the Klingons, we may have averted this damn war."
Garret: "Then... we have to go back! But we lost so many crew..."
Yar: "If it can prevent this war, I volunteer to go with you."
Ryker: "I wish we had a bartender."
Picard: "Shut up, Will."

Maybe if it had unfolded that way, "Yesterday's Enterprise" wouldn't be on my Skip list. Though I sometimes will watch the battle with the Klingons on YouTube.
 
"Shadows and Symbols"... you have to wonder if it's really ethical for a Doctor to randomly match an untrained, un-evaluated Trill with a symbiont, despite the extremis of the situation. It's long understood that an improper joining can cause permanent damage to both parties.

Wasn't the other option letting the symbiont die?
 
In the grand scheme of things, I think joining a Trill symbiont to a Trill person is less risky than joining a Trill symbiont to a human from Earth, and they did that one years earlier.
 
In the grand scheme of things, I think joining a Trill symbiont to a Trill person is less risky than joining a Trill symbiont to a human from Earth, and they did that one years earlier.
Physically, yes. Psychologically, no. As I said earlier, before symbiosis is allowed, Trill candidates are: (1) vetted by the Symbiosis commission, (2) trained for years, and (3) matched with a symbiont. Ezri had none of that, and it left her badly messed up in the head, at least short term. The writers didn't want to pursue that because there wasn't time, so they had her recover from it quickly. But, in "Invasive Procedures", Jadzia reminds us that an ill-advised joining can cause severe long-term psychological damage to both parties.
 
The Trill evaluation procedures for suitable hosts were obviously flawed in some way, or else Joran would never have received a symbiont. But as Ezri proved, more Trill would have been acceptable hosts to the symbiont than the evaluation board passed, because there weren't enough symbionts to go around for every potentially suitable Trill.

That said, there were always a number of symbionts in the pools and I'd really like to know more about them. Do they reproduce there, or do some symbionts elect not to be paired with a host, or what?
 
Me either. It always bothered me that Picard was sacrificing hundreds of lives on what was basically a feeling Guinan had. Yes, she was right, but how could he know that?

Is this better or worse than Luke turning off the highly advanced targeting system in his X-Wing because he's just had an auditory hallucination?
 
One other good thing about GENERATIONS... it retroactively and indirectly gives a plausible explanation why Guinan was able to sense time was wrong in "Yesterday's Enterprise".
 
Don't forget the possibility of creating another Joran Dax. Just saying.

Starfleet has always chosen life over the alternative assuming we ignore the whole Hugh thing.

Dax was going to die. Starfleet did what it needed to preserve Dax's life, and iirc Trill also always prioritized the lives of symbionts over humanoids as well.
 
Starfleet has always chosen life over the alternative assuming we ignore the whole Hugh thing.

Dax was going to die. Starfleet did what it needed to preserve Dax's life, and iirc Trill also always prioritized the lives of symbionts over humanoids as well.

Very true. "EQUILIBRIUM" firmly established that a symbiote's life took priority, not to mention the many, many discussions in other episodes.
 
Out of all the generally revered episodes and movies (you know, your Yesterday's Enterprises and Bests of the Both Worlds and Cities on the Edge and Inner Lights and Visitors and Wraths of Khan etc etc etc), what is the thing that you DON'T like about them?
TOS: "The City on the Edge of Forever" - Edith Keeler's "Men are going to go up in spaceships and solve all our problems and that's why you can't let the Depression get you down!" speech. It makes no sense and it's WAY too on the nose. I'd rather it was just something like appealing to man's inherent decency or talking about helping your fellow human beings persevere through the tough times. I'd think that would appeal to Kirk just as much as the spaceship speech is supposed to.

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - The potential of Saavik and David Marcus as new continuing characters for the franchise went sadly unfulfilled as the next two movies wrote them both out in favor of emphasizing the original crew. And it's a crying shame that Kirstie Alley didn't return as Saavik.

TNG: "Yesterday's Enterprise" - I really wish it'd been an alternate version of Worf commanding the Klingon ship the Enterprise-D is fighting at the very end. Even if it was just Michael Dorn doing a voiceover as an Easter Egg.

TNG: "Sarek" - Giving Sarek a second wife who's also from Earth makes it seem like Sarek just has a fetish for human women.

TNG: "The Best of Both Worlds" - The second part doesn't quite live up to the first, and it's a drag that everything goes back to the exact same status quo at the end.

TNG: "The Inner Light" - I never got the love for this one. Since we only see brief snippets of Picard's alternate life on the planet, I never got very absorbed into it. So the whole tearjerker ending doesn't work for me.

TNG: "I, Borg" - I found the whole debate about whether it was morally right to eliminate the Borg to be idiotic. The Borg, as portrayed up until that point, destroyed and assimilated and created absolutely nothing in return. Of course it was the right thing to do to take them off the playing field as it would've saved countless lives. I would've loved to see Admiral Nechayev tear Picard a new one for his decision to not release the nanovirus into the Collective.

Nothing's coming to mind for the latter series right now. Maybe I'll have some more hot takes later, though.
 
TNG: "I, Borg" - I found the whole debate about whether it was morally right to eliminate the Borg to be idiotic. The Borg, as portrayed up until that point, destroyed and assimilated and created absolutely nothing in return. Of course it was the right thing to do to take them off the playing field as it would've saved countless lives. I would've loved to see Admiral Nechayev tear Picard a new one for his decision to not release the nanovirus into the Collective.

Even worse is that you would think Starfleet would have suspicions about Picard's lingering mental state/PTSD or even his loyalty to the Federation after the Wolf 359 massacre. You have a former Borg leader who just decided to NOT DESTROY THE BORG. How does this go unchecked? I'd imagine the blowback would have been catastrophic.
 
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