The Enterprise-A in PIC
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South of 2270, I'd put everything on the New Jersey. North of 2270, the Enterprise-A.
Fair point, though TFF also uses the TNG sickbay (and doesn't even dim the lights to hide it). Though given that TNG's sickbay set is just the refit Enterprise sickbay set from TMP and TWOK with minor tweaks (they didn't even change the biobed displays!) this is probably a case of "turnabout is fair play":
The windows of TFF's observation lounge wouldn't fit on the Enterprise-A exterior either (it does have the advantage of being one of the Enterprise-A's few original, and rather good, sets though).
My headcanon for TUC's observation lounge windows is that, since we see it being destroyed when the Enterprise-A saucer is holed in its front port quarter, it's not actually on the outside of the ship and those "windows" are just display screens showing appropriate space or planetary vistas:
The script also refers to that room as the officer's mess rather than an observation lounge, further suggesting its resemblance to TNG's observation lounge is purely coincidental.
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Agreed. It's possible the 2365-2370 Enterprise-D bridge module was already a Starfleet Museum exhibit and all Geordi had to do was plug it back in, job done.
The TNG bridge and the GEN bridge aren't that different, just side-stations added and steps underneath Picard, Riker, and Troi's chairs. I think it was a bridge modification, not a bridge replacement. Geordi just liked the series configuration better than the movie configuration.
He spent 20 years restoring the Enterprise-D, so I can see him taking the time to get things looking exactly how he wanted them. Guaranteed, nothing about restoring the ship was simple.
I tried restoring a public domain film from 1929 called New York Nights (fixing the sound is an issue, because audio recording was still so primitive)...
....and it got me interested in looking at mechanics' efforts to restore cars, and they go all out with everything. They take the cars apart, they replace whatever they need to, they clean up whatever they have to, fix everything, it's a crazy entire process.
Here's part 1 of a 28-part video series by Epic Restorationz, where they restore a 1930 Model A Ford. It's a really fascinating watch, if you're interested this type of thing.
So I was heavily into this topic during the months before Geordi unveiled the refurbished Enterprise-D.
Everyone probably told Geordi it was a lost cause (if it's something that actually took 20 years), no could restore it, and that probably made him determined to make it happen.
With the Enterprise-A? I don't know. We don't know if it went straight to the Fleet Museum, or if that's just where it ended up. If the Fleet Museum is where the E-A ended up, then it could've been in all kinds of other people's hands in-between.
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I don't have a problem with imagining the TUC Officer's Mess is the replacement for TMP's Officer's Lounge, below and behind the bridge. The windows don't match perfectly but, hey, they never do. The crew quarters' windows in TNG aren't nearly horizontal enough. Even today, I don't think there are any windows on the Titan-A that match the ones on the quarters set.
I had 3 classic/antique cars: 1955 Packard Clipper, 1968 Pontiac Firebird and 1973 Ford Mustang Mach I. All needed work to varying degrees, but in the case of all three, the mechanical parts were all taken out, taken apart, cleaned and put back together. Much more a process than I expected, but being so involved and intense a process, it became such a personal bond with the cars. You were more than driving them. You became a part of the car and it you.
Janeway: So the Enterprise-A, which visited the center of the galaxy, has been sitting here in this museum since the dawn of the 24th century?
La Forge: That's right Admiral.
Janeway: And it was fast enough to reach the center of the galaxy within a month?
La Forge: The old ships were a lot faster in those days. Montgomery Scott told me about the time the 1701 raced 990.7 light years in 11.37 hours to save Captain Kirk on the Kalandan outpost from an alien hologram who looked like Earth actress Lee Meriwether. The 1701 itself also visited the center of the galaxy during the Megas-Tu mission.
Janeway: And in all that time no one thought to send the much faster A to pick us up in the Delta Quadrant???
La Forge:
La Forge: That's right Admiral.
Janeway: And it was fast enough to reach the center of the galaxy within a month?
La Forge: The old ships were a lot faster in those days. Montgomery Scott told me about the time the 1701 raced 990.7 light years in 11.37 hours to save Captain Kirk on the Kalandan outpost from an alien hologram who looked like Earth actress Lee Meriwether. The 1701 itself also visited the center of the galaxy during the Megas-Tu mission.
Janeway: And in all that time no one thought to send the much faster A to pick us up in the Delta Quadrant???
La Forge:
The TUC bridge wasn't destroyed, so there would be no reason to replace it with an earlier version. As for the 1701-D bridge: it never changed. Fvck Generations! It ruined everything good about TNG *and* the farewell to TOS.
If they didn't kill Kirk in Generations, you know at some point they'd have thought of something even more horrific for him. After all, who thought Spock would die all alone trapped in an alternate timeline with Steve Trevor and Sylar?
Indeed. My opinion soured considerably over the years. I feel like Spock has a better death and that was off screen!
Just to be clear: I wasn't talking about the E-A bridge. Just the TNG-looking sets on the E-A.
I didn't need to know how Kirk died. His story ended with TUC, as it should have with all the TOS characters (minus Spock, who had already appeared on TNG earlier that year).
Oh I agree. I'm saying that with the desperation to drum up interest in Trek, especially in the rough years of the 2000s-2010s, even if Generations never happened they wouldn't have resisted going back to Kirk. Even the Kelvin movies coasted off the hype of Nimoy's involvement.
Sure. Shatner was supposed to be in ST'09, remember, if only as a hologram recording. But we could have done without the "hold my beer" from Generations. In fact, in my head canon it never happened. The TNG movies can start off with First Contact. Just put in some dialog about the D being retired.
Indeed. And even if they did revisit Kirk in the future, like Nimoy, it would be a better showing than Generations.
That makes even less sense than what we got.
For 25 years, I was all about ignoring the TNG Movies. But then I saw how Picard made lemonade from a lemon and came to the conclusion that you actually can turn around a bad hand you were dealt.
Personally, I like the Generations refit to the Enterprise-D bridge; makes it feel more alive.
I'm doing a TNG rewatch at the moment, and in some bridge scenes it's almost distracting how barren the set is with all the actors confined to about 50% of the room.
I could be wrong but I just assumed the Generations bridge was just using the modifications of the future E-D from All Good Things which has the side displays? My assumption is it made a change for the big screen and/or they couldn't be bothered changing it?
Also fun fact half of you probably already know, the Federation Presidents Office in TUC (ie Red Foreman) is just a redressed Ten Forward (cannot unsee once I heard).
Secondly I've never been able to pick it but apparently the Amagosa observatory from Generations is a redressed Enterprise-A bridge? I've struggled to see it but maybe it's the lighting and the damaged components that hides it.
Also fun fact half of you probably already know, the Federation Presidents Office in TUC (ie Red Foreman) is just a redressed Ten Forward (cannot unsee once I heard).
Secondly I've never been able to pick it but apparently the Amagosa observatory from Generations is a redressed Enterprise-A bridge? I've struggled to see it but maybe it's the lighting and the damaged components that hides it.
