What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Tallguy]

Is calling this episode a pilot a new thing? I've only seen it crop up recently. It's the sixth produced episode, so it can't really be called a pilot. (can it?) NBC apparently like it best because it was "proper science fiction". Which I think means it had a monster.

It does get a certain pride of place being aired first. But if anything The Corbomite Maneuver would be the third pilot. Not just because it was filmed first but because there's a ton of "Let's introduce the ship and crew!".

I'd say TOS has the best collection of pilots compared to the rest of the show. Nobody would call Farpoint or even Emissary the best episodes of their shows. There is a solid argument to be made for The Cage, Where No Man, or Corbomite. There are later episodes that are as good but not many (any?) that are better.

 

[Macintosh]

It fills a large portion of the sky. For Earthers (did I spell that right this time?) I'd imagine that's disconcerting.

Oh, I thought there might be something more sinister about it. A bit like the double planets Opal and Quake in Charles Sheffield's Heritage Universe series of novels – particularly the first of the series, Summertide. But yes.

I've seen fan theories that Vulcan is really a double planet and so technically it's not a moon as both planets orbit a common point (barycentre) outside themselves, whereas with a true moon the barycentre is still within the primary. And I suppose the Vulcan natives would doggedly insist that the other one was not a moon even though to all intents and purposes (astronomical, geological, oceanographical, cultural etc) it fulfils the same role as one, and might be colloquially referred to as such by annoying humans.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

I've seen fan theories that Vulcan is really a double planet and so technically it's not a moon as both planets orbit a common point (barycentre) outside themselves, whereas with a true moon the barycentre is still within the primary. And I suppose the Vulcan natives would doggedly insist that the other one was not a moon even though to all intents and purposes (astronomical, geological, oceanographical, cultural etc) it fulfils the same role as one, and might be colloquially referred to as such by annoying humans.

Diane Duane's Spock's World (which is really just a great book all around, and reminded me how much more interesting the original story of human-Vulcan first contact was, before it was canonized by Star Trek: First Contact) puts endorses the double-planet idea.

The pair that formed in the fourth orbit out from 40 Eri A was luckier than some. One planet, the larger one, kept its atmosphere though that what it kept was thin and hot, even then. It also kept most of the water.
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T'Khut is this lesser planet's name in the Vulcan-the female-name form of the noun "watcher;" the eye that opens and closes, but that (legend later said) always sees, and sees most and best in the dark.

 

[publiusr]

Not having a moon might explain Vulcan taking awhile to be space-faring.

Our Moon is just big and close enough to give us a target to reach for.

The earliest space-traveling was perhaps done by denizens of a moon of a gas giant…a busy sky.

The more objects, the greater the interest?
-especially if you saw things moving towards you:
https://www.planetary.org/articles/janus-epimetheus-swap

That might scare me into building a space program right quick.

As it turns out—if you were Q, you could really pack a lot of M-class planets together using such horseshoe orbits.

https://www.universetoday.com/161302/building-planetary-systems-that-could-last-forever/

 

[FredH]

In the context of the book, it's not that T'Khut is actually nightmarish. It's just that the Human calling it that is unused to seeing a nearby celestial body take up such a large portion of the sky and finds the image unsettling.

Ironic, I remember a popular fanfiction series back in the day (Landing Party Six) which had the T’khutians being a Vulcan offshoot who instead of holding to logic, were complete jokers; their equivalent of the salute was the “sorry captain, my fingers slipped” gesture.

 

[FredH]

That canon thing they changed in the years before I came along? That’s fine, it’s just part of what Star Trek is.

That canon thing they just changed NOW? It sucks and completely disrespects Star Trek!

 

[Macintosh]

That canon thing they changed in the years before I came along? That’s fine, it’s just part of what Star Trek is.

That canon thing they just changed NOW? It sucks and completely disrespects Star Trek!

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[Tallguy]

We interrupt this program to bring you the greatest Star Trek title theme EVER. (Well, it's in the top 10 or so.)

Rod:

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and also:

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I quite like this cover:

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And this was just cool...

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[CorporalCaptain]

I've seen fan theories that Vulcan is really a double planet and so technically it's not a moon as both planets orbit a common point (barycentre) outside themselves, whereas with a true moon the barycentre is still within the primary. And I suppose the Vulcan natives would doggedly insist that the other one was not a moon even though to all intents and purposes (astronomical, geological, oceanographical, cultural etc) it fulfils the same role as one, and might be colloquially referred to as such by annoying humans.

Right. To the question of how "Vulcan looks on a lazy evening when the moon is full," it's a distinction without a difference.

 

[Vger23]

We interrupt this program to bring you the greatest Star Trek title theme EVER. (Well, it's in the top 10 or so.)

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and also:

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I quite like this cover:

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Controversial Opinion: "Faith of the Heart" was a good song for the opening credits of ENT.

 

[Commander Troi]

It fills a large portion of the sky. For Earthers (did I spell that right this time?) I'd imagine that's disconcerting.

Yes, dear. *patpat* Good boy.

But if anything The Corbomite Maneuver would be the third pilot. Not just because it was filmed first but because there's a ton of "Let's introduce the ship and crew!".

I'm not sure I agree, but an interesting idea.

We interrupt this program to bring you the greatest Star Trek title theme EVER. (Well, it's in the top 10 or so.)

Yeah, no. Not even the top 20. Even Rod "I used to be a rocker but now I'm in one" Stewart can't save this piece of treacle.

Oh. It was written by Diane Warren? That explains it.

The 4th video was super cool.

Controversial Opinion: "Faith of the Heart" was a good song for the opening credits of ENT.

A bland song for a bland show?

 

[Tallguy]

I'm not sure I agree, but an interesting idea.

1) It stands on the "Spock has a human mother" detail.
2) They wanted it to be the first aired but FX delays meant it wasn't. (Most or all of the episodes before this used stock shots from the pilots and The Man Trap. CM had a LOT of new FX.)
3) Kirk has an ENTRANCE. I mean, it's lying in sick bay, but the teaser ends with "Captain Kirk to the bridge!"
3) It introduces "STAR TREK" far more than not only The Man Trap but most of season 1 as well.

 

[1001001]

A bland song for a bland show?

 

[Ovation]

Spock’s KHHAAANNN! makes more sense, in story, than Kirk’s.

Shatner is a better director than Nimoy, especially visually.

It is impossible to violate “the canon”.

Continuity is not “holy writ”.

Trek is not “a period piece”.



Am I doing this correctly?

 

[fireproof78]

Spock’s KHHAAANNN! makes more sense, in story, than Kirk’s.

Shatner is a better director than Nimoy, especially visually.

It is impossible to violate “the canon”.

Continuity is not “holy writ”.

Trek is not “a period piece”.



Am I doing this correctly?

*gives a standing Ovation *

 

[Tallguy]

Am I doing this correctly?

Gangbusters so far!

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

A bland song for a bland show?

HEY!.... ............

 

[Commander Troi]

1) It stands on the "Spock has a human mother" detail.

I understood the other 3 but not this one.

You can all feel better about my comment. Karma has done it's job. I've had "Faith of the Heart" running through my head all day!

 

[Vger23]

I think it's awesome that this thread has gone 700 pages. It's one of my favorite places on the entire BBS.

 

[Lord Garth]

I think it's awesome that this thread has gone 700 pages. It's one of my favorite places on the entire BBS.

It's been a long road, getting from there to here...

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FUCK!!!!