The better "good man gone bad": Tuvok or The Doctor?
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Tuvok.
Russ conveys a sense of danger that lurks beneath the skin.
Russ conveys a sense of danger that lurks beneath the skin.
Tim Russ played the subdued danger really well, so I vote for him.
Considering how powerful Vulcans emotions are and the need for control of them, I'd say yes.
The Doctor in Equinox is pretty terrifying.
The EMH in Darkling was a cartoon villain. Tuvok in Meld felt more like a real-life villain.
The Evil!EMH managed to accomplish more, yes? Abduction (twice: Kes and B'Elanna), attempted murder, assault (i.e., sticking a man's hand in a fire and drugging B'Elanna) and breaching ship's security. Then again, Evil!Tuvok spent most of his brief existence trapped behind a force-field...
Tuvok, rendered magnificently by Tim Russ.
(a real fun bit starts at 1:21, never mind they even used real scene-enhancing incidental music and not the wallpaper equivalent of a group of possums farting in a bog... )
(another fun scene)
Bonus:
(Neelix is no substitute for Guinan, like from "Ensign Ro"... but I wouldn't want him to be.)
(same scene, but with needed context surrounding the aforementioned clip.)
The EMH never came close with the evil stuff.
(a real fun bit starts at 1:21, never mind they even used real scene-enhancing incidental music and not the wallpaper equivalent of a group of possums farting in a bog... )
(another fun scene)
Bonus:
(Neelix is no substitute for Guinan, like from "Ensign Ro"... but I wouldn't want him to be.)
(same scene, but with needed context surrounding the aforementioned clip.)
The EMH never came close with the evil stuff.
I would 100% notice you were ending the possibility of my favorite romance happening. 
I would also have been far from the only one. Look at the… impassioned reactions that still are evoked by discussing Chakotay’s love life at the end of the series. The character of Chakotay was tragically underutilized but shippers built a castle from the few walls the show framed.
As for Harry… I would have been upset. Firstly because Harry was a very sweet character and also because of Tom and B’Elanna’s believable affection for him. Narratively, however, I would have been bemoaning mostly lost potential.
I would also have been far from the only one. Look at the… impassioned reactions that still are evoked by discussing Chakotay’s love life at the end of the series. The character of Chakotay was tragically underutilized but shippers built a castle from the few walls the show framed.As for Harry… I would have been upset. Firstly because Harry was a very sweet character and also because of Tom and B’Elanna’s believable affection for him. Narratively, however, I would have been bemoaning mostly lost potential.
I would 100% notice you were ending the possibility of my favorite romance happening.
Ok. The makers of the 1.8 million or so Janeway/Chakotay romance music videos would probably notice.
Admittedly, ever since "Resolutions", I shipped those two as well. But if it wasn't going to happen, maybe better to find a better way to resolve it than... blecchhh... C/7.
Exactly. Instead of under-using the character for four seasons, they could make his death pack an emotional wallop like a six-pound maul slamming into your guts, if done right. And what do we lose in return? "Nightingale"? "The Disease"? We'll live, I think.
Tuvok's display of savagery in sickbay was disconcerting, but that time when Janeway visited him in his quarters only to find a barely restrained beast framed in darkness is the scene that stuck with me the most; credit to the writers, director and composer of "Meld".
Cliff Bole was always a solid, wonderful director for ST. It's why he ended up directing 42 episodes between TNG (with 25, more than anyone else), DS9, and VGR.
I always pointed to his direction of "MELD" as a reason why the episode was so effective, and one of the best of the early seasons.
I always pointed to his direction of "MELD" as a reason why the episode was so effective, and one of the best of the early seasons.
I would!
And it would have annoyed me!
If I hadn't stop watching (at least temporarily) when kes was dumped in the beginning of season 4, annihilating Chakotay or Kim or both should have been more fuel on the fire.
I actuallystopped watching my long time favorite series NCIS recently because all the original characters who actually made me like the series from the first episode were gone, replaced by characters I don't care about.
As for the "evil Tuvok" and "evil Doctor" question, I found "evil Tuvok" in Meld more scary and convincing.
"Evil Doctor" in Darkling was convincing and a good villain too but his behavior in the episode coul be explained as a program malfunctioning due to his own dabbling with the program which could be corrected by a skilled programmer, such as Kim or Torres.
But "Evil Tuvok" in Meld was even more scary and convincing. OK, he did a mind meld which didn't work out well for him but what was interesting was his comments about humans and Janeway in particular when he couldn't control his emotions, not to mention his wish to strangle Neelix which he did in that holodeck program.
That made me wonder: Was that Tuvok's real feelings about humans, janeway and Neelix, which he normally was hiding beneath all layers of Vulcan self control or was it just a result of the situation and not being able to control his emotions?
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