What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Bea Jonas]

Oversized moons are canon.

Once, while on the drive home from work, I was stopped at a red light. Just as the light turned green, I heard the horn blare from the car next to me and when I turned to look, I saw someone's bare buttocks pressed against the glass of the window in the rear passenger section. I laughed in surprise but as the car pulled away, I saw that the prankster was not performing a true full moon but merely wearing beige khakis.

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[Tallguy]

Once, while on the drive home from work, I was stopped at a red light. Just as the light turned green, I heard the horn blare from the car next to me and when I turned to look, I a saw someone's bare buttocks pressed against the glass of the window in the rear passenger section. I laughed in surprise but as the car pulled away, I saw that the prankster was not performing a true full moon but merely wearing beige khakis.

Opening night of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (May 1989). Outside, waiting in line, temp is over 100F. Single screen cinema, the late lamented Cine Capri. The cinema had been showing Lawrence of Arabia which always got later and later and later because of the intermission. So our Indy midnight show was pushed back to 12:30ish. Maybe later, I don't remember when we finally got let in. The natives are restless.

There is a news crew inside covering the opening and the impressive turn out. Someone in some unfathomable fit of protest runs full speed at the lobby windows, turns around, drops his pants to moon the camera crew, but is going too fast to check his speed. Collides with the glass with his bum at considerable velocity. Cracks the window (so to speak) and leaves behind (so to speak) a considerable amount of broken glass and blood. He them limps off into the night, never to be heard from (by me anyway) again.

I saw Indy 3 at that theater a few more times and I laughed every time I walked past the ticket window with the taped over broken glass.

I always hoped that news footage would show up somewhere.

What are we talking about again?

 

[Bea Jonas]

While we're on the subject of a full moon...

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[Tallguy]

Looks around... Considers his move... Moon moon moon... GOT IT!

THIS is what Vulcan looks like.

We can dismiss an entire season of people saying "Vulcanian" but Spock says in the very first episode that Vulcan has no moon and that is the canoniest of all canon things! I say No sir!

If you want to square the two by saying it's a sister planet, I'm fine with that. T'Khut. I'm allllll for it. My favorite line in Diane Duane's Spock's World:

"Vulcan has no moon," various Vulcans have been heard to remark: accurate as always, when speaking scientifically. "Damn right it doesn’t," at least one Terran has responded: "it has a nightmare."

 

[Weyoun 251]

Looks around... Considers his move... Moon moon moon... GOT IT!

THIS is what Vulcan looks like.

We can dismiss an entire season of people saying "Vulcanian" but Spock says in the very first episode that Vulcan has no moon and that is the canoniest of all canon things! I say No sir!

If you want to square the two by saying it's a sister planet, I'm fine with that. T'Khut. I'm allllll for it. My favorite line in Diane Duane's Spock's World:

That's no moon...

Sorry wrong franchise

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Looks around... Considers his move... Moon moon moon... GOT IT!

THIS is what Vulcan looks like.

We can dismiss an entire season of people saying "Vulcanian" but Spock says in the very first episode that Vulcan has no moon and that is the canoniest of all canon things! I say No sir!

If you want to square the two by saying it's a sister planet, I'm fine with that. T'Khut. I'm allllll for it. My favorite line in Diane Duane's Spock's World:

Yes to all of that.

I have to hand it to Filmation for that shot, among others. It makes quite an impression.

 

[fireproof78]

That's no moon...

Sorry wrong franchise

Dark Side


Of the moon.

 

[Tallguy]

And if the cloud bursts thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon

 

[Athena28]

I like TOS movie #3 a lot.
I don't love The Inner Light, Darmok, The Visitor or Far Beyond the Stars.

 

[Commander Troi]

Opening night of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (May 1989). Outside, waiting in line, temp is over 100F. Single screen cinema, the late lamented Cine Capri. The cinema had been showing Lawrence of Arabia which always got later and later and later because of the intermission. So our Indy midnight show was pushed back to 12:30ish. Maybe later, I don't remember when we finally got let in. The natives are restless.

There is a news crew inside covering the opening and the impressive turn out. Someone in some unfathomable fit of protest runs full speed at the lobby windows, turns around, drops his pants to moon the camera crew, but is going too fast to check his speed. Collides with the glass with his bum at considerable velocity. Cracks the window (so to speak) and leaves behind (so to speak) a considerable amount of broken glass and blood. He them limps off into the night, never to be heard from (by me anyway) again.

I saw Indy 3 at that theater a few more times and I laughed every time I walked past the ticket window with the taped over broken glass.

I always hoped that news footage would show up somewhere.

What are we talking about again?

That story never gets old!

 

[FredH]

This probably isn’t even controversial, but Tom Paris would have been twice as interesting had he turned out to really be Nick Locarno — or perhaps, had “Nick Locarno” been a false name he used in in the Academy to avoid the appearance of trading on his father’s influence.

 

[Macintosh]

This probably isn’t even controversial, but Tom Paris would have been twice as interesting had he turned out to really be Nick Locarno — or perhaps, had “Nick Locarno” been a false name he used in in the Academy to avoid the appearance of trading on his father’s influence.

There's a fan theory that Locarno was Paris's mother's maiden name and he was using it an alias to avoid any association with his father. This is given a speck of canonical credence by Torres reminding Paris that he was expelled from the Academy in VOY: "Drive" during a private conversation, when supposedly Paris graduated from the Academy and was dishonourably discharged after serving on the Exeter.

 

[Rahul]

I remain convinced it was originally intended as a single episode, and then they bloated it up with additional footage. BOTBS being really really short in particular sticks out to me.

Also, the Sarek scenes are 100% filler that seems to have been added later.

I think it's actually the exact other way 'round:
They intended to have two, long, blockbuster-level episodes. And then they had so much behind-the-scenes drama, ran out of money, and had to cut all the stuff, and try to fill in two episodes with what got left.

There's interesting concept art for the bridge of the USS Europa (a really unique one) - implying a whole subplot there, when in the final episode she just appears & then immediately gets destroyed. I think Sarek's scenes and Michael's weird arrival at the Shenzhou are the remains of large planned flashback stories on Vulcan that got cut.

It's also telling that "the battle of the binary stars" it's literally the only fleet battle in this entire war. These two episodes really imagine a movie-level universe with desert planets filled with strange aliens, trips through asteroid fields in space suits, epic fleet actions - and then the rest of the season has to be basically spent inside, no new planets or sets, and the epic conclusion on Kronos is a tiny, dark-lit soundstage of a orient-bazar and a 2 meter balcony standing in for the entire Klingon senate...

 

[AresB]

If you want to square the two by saying it's a sister planet, I'm fine with that. T'Khut. I'm allllll for it.

Vulcans never mentioning their family members until it is unavoidable is a cultural tradition, and that includes the sibling of their homeworld too.

 

[Macintosh]

If you want to square the two by saying it's a sister planet, I'm fine with that. T'Khut. I'm allllll for it. My favorite line in Diane Duane's Spock's World:

That's fun! What's so nightmarish about it?

 

[drt]

and then the rest of the season has to be basically spent inside, no new planets or sets, and the epic conclusion on Kronos is a tiny, dark-lit soundstage of a orient-bazar and a 2 meter balcony standing in for the entire Klingon senate...

The planet in “Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum” was pretty cool and imaginative, but yeah, Kronos was disappointing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

THE MAN TRAP

Is calling this episode a pilot a new thing? I've only seen it crop up recently. It's the sixth produced episode, so it can't really be called a pilot. (can it?) NBC apparently like it best because it was "proper science fiction". Which I think means it had a monster.

 

[Farscape One]

Is calling this episode a pilot a new thing? I've only seen it crop up recently. It's the sixth produced episode, so it can't really be called a pilot. (can it?) NBC apparently like it best because it was "proper science fiction". Which I think means it had a monster.

I don't consider it a pilot precisely because it was not produced first.

However, it was the first aired episode, so for many people, including those who were there when it first premiered on 1966, this episode serves as the pilot. Which was why I lumped it together with the first produced pilot and the second produced pilot ("THE CAGE" and "WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE"). This was because I feel each did the same job equally well, and were good episodes pretty equally.


Also, it doesn't happen often, but a pilot episode CAN be produced later than the first produced episode. ANDROMEDA, for example... "UNDER THE NIGHT" was the third filmed episode but was quite literally the pilot for the series because it set the show up.

 

[Sci]

That's fun! What's so nightmarish about it?

In the context of the book, it's not that T'Khut is actually nightmarish. It's just that the Human calling it that is unused to seeing a nearby celestial body take up such a large portion of the sky and finds the image unsettling.

 

[Tallguy]

That's fun! What's so nightmarish about it?

It fills a large portion of the sky. For Earthers (did I spell that right this time?) I'd imagine that's disconcerting.