"IaMD" is the only worthy Mirror Universe material filmed since probably 1995. It is excellent Trek.
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IaMD is a boring and predictable story and nothing more than an excuse for the cast to play totally generic mirror characters without even bothering to connect to the rest of the series in any way.
The DSC mirror arc jumped the shark as soon as Lorca revealed himself, but before that part it was a million times better than IaMD.
The DSC mirror arc jumped the shark as soon as Lorca revealed himself, but before that part it was a million times better than IaMD.
"Mirror, Mirror," "IaMD" and Discovery's MU episodes still make the Mirror universe so fun for me.
I really disliked “IAMD” because it had no connection character-wise to “our” universe, therefore, the story felt like pointless, utterly meaningless theatrics. It was really an excuse to let the cast go into “pantomime mode” and had some fun fankwankery with TOS sets (which I approved of btw). ENT is my least favourite series, however, so that may have coloured my view. I’m glad others enjoyed it.
One of the stories that was going to be used for a season 5 of ENT had it received one was a continuation of "IN A MIRROR, DARKLY". It would have made it more than just a one-off two-part story.
It would have been like what DISCO did in season 1, just spread out across a few seasons with a couple episodes each year.
I think that would have been a fun and great idea.
(At the very least, gives us a break from the awful regular theme song.)
It would have been like what DISCO did in season 1, just spread out across a few seasons with a couple episodes each year.
I think that would have been a fun and great idea.
(At the very least, gives us a break from the awful regular theme song.)
I'd say 1967. DS9: "Crossover" is borderline but every other mirror universe episode has descended into utter gittishness after the first five minutes. The only one I've really enjoyed is ENT: "In a Mirror, Darkly".
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There doesn't actually seem to be a trial, when they go before the council seems to be the first time they enter a plea. I'd still give it a few weeks for cleaning up after the Probe, debriefings, etc. before the council meeting. Figure a week or two minimum for the 1701-A's initial shakedown, then back to Earth.
In TFF, Kirk tells Scott he gave him three weeks to repair the ship, so they haven't been back at Earth for more than a month. There probably isn't enough time to account for the new bridge, I think we'll have to assume that's how it was supposed to look at the end of TVH.
"Yesterday's Enterprise" is the best mirror universe episode that's technically not really the mirror universe. And it's the only time since TOS the "dark timeline" feels actually realistic, since it doesn't go totally over the top.
The original "Mirror mirror" of course is still a genre-defining classic, and the reason why every other franchise has their "dark timeline" character wear goatees.
"In a mirror darkly" is fluff. It's complete schlock, but acceptable because it has so much fun with it. But 2 episodes already felt like one episode too long, and any more episodes in season 5 world have been a disappointment.
Every other instance of the Mirror universe is utter trash, where the writers routinely lose all realism, and the weird sexist double morality doesn't help. DS9 missed the whole idea behind the concept, they should have just invented their own alternate universe with underdog humans fighting suppression. And that weird comedy-angle absolutely didn't work. DIS season 1 is the point where the show turned from acceptable sci-fi to complete, utter trash, the likes normally has a "Sy-Fy original" lable, some absolute no-name actors, and is filmed entirely on one corridor set with a weird overexposed filter.
The original "Mirror mirror" of course is still a genre-defining classic, and the reason why every other franchise has their "dark timeline" character wear goatees.
"In a mirror darkly" is fluff. It's complete schlock, but acceptable because it has so much fun with it. But 2 episodes already felt like one episode too long, and any more episodes in season 5 world have been a disappointment.
Every other instance of the Mirror universe is utter trash, where the writers routinely lose all realism, and the weird sexist double morality doesn't help. DS9 missed the whole idea behind the concept, they should have just invented their own alternate universe with underdog humans fighting suppression. And that weird comedy-angle absolutely didn't work. DIS season 1 is the point where the show turned from acceptable sci-fi to complete, utter trash, the likes normally has a "Sy-Fy original" lable, some absolute no-name actors, and is filmed entirely on one corridor set with a weird overexposed filter.
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I would also put "LIVING WITNESS" as the best mirror universe episode while NOT being a mirror universe episode.
Honestly, I think the comics handled the Mirror Universe well as well, and definitely worth it even for the poor installments. I like the Discovery take on it as well because it showed that it isn't cut and dry inside that universe either.
Living Witness is a great episode - probably my favorite of VOY - but what makes it great isn't the fact that we get to see the VOY characters playacting some dark timeline. What makes it great is it's actually about something - it's about historical revisionism and asks deep questions about whether the nature of truth really matters in the end. It's both unusually deep for Voyager, and avoids giving us a pat answer to the dilemma of the week.
Oh, I completely agree that it was great because it was sending a message.
I just had to add it in for 'mirror universe without being one' as good.
For the DS9 MU episodes, I feel like after Crossover (which I think is genuinely good) they basically just saw it as an excuse to have the actors play OOC for an episode; to give them an excuse to show off their range.
Other than Colm Meaney, since Miles was just a miserable git in every possible alternative universe.
Other than Colm Meaney, since Miles was just a miserable git in every possible alternative universe.
And until Season 3 of DSC is was the latest timepoint we had in the Trek continuity, with the events happening in or around the year 3074 which would have placed the EMH backup program's experiences in the episode within a few years of The Burn ravaging the known galaxy.
Yeah, I think they really missed an opportunity not having that copy of The Doctor show up in Season 3.
Of course, he could still show up in Season 5.
I hope he does. It'd be one of the coolest crossovers in the franchise.
It's the only worthy Mirror Universe material filmed since 1967.
I'll allow it.
OP compared it PIC season 3. (Which is a terrible take.) But if PIC 3 even had a fraction of the fun of IAMD, I might have actually liked it.
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