I'd say it's pretty close to accurate. Though it did use elements of TNG and TOS enough to make it palatable.
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DS9 developed what it focused on pretty well. But I learned more about the Romulans in ENT, TOS, and PIC (where they really made those appearances count) than in all of TNG, DS9, and VOY combined.
I'd say TNG laid the most groundwork for the Klingons. And TOS for the Vulcans.
I'd say TNG laid the most groundwork for the Klingons. And TOS for the Vulcans.
I wonder if we can interpret the line "we feel her day is over" as an indication Starfleet had already decided to replace the Constitution-class Enterprise with an Excelsior-class Enterprise? They might not consider it worth repairing a ship they plan to replace in the next few years anyway.
Now I'm wondering if this means the true origin of the Enterprise-A is that Starfleet had to give Kirk and crew something but the Enterprise-B was still years away from completion and the Excelsior already had a command crew, so they thought "bugger it, throw together some of those Constitution-class spare parts and make a new ship for them to play around in". According to the TNG Technical Manual there's enough spare parts for the Galaxy-class to make entire new ships if necessary already during their first decade of service so it seems logical to assume the much more mature Constitution-class should have plenty of spare components available. There is a real world example of this – space shuttle Endeavour was built out of spare parts to replace Challenger.
Oh, I’m not claiming that DS9 created the backstories for many of Trek’s most familiar alien species. I meant more that DS9 gave a deeper view of what it was like for characters to inhabit the Trekverse, and made the it a living, breathing fictional universe in the way the other (pre-streaming) TV series arguably didn’t. We also got more insight into how the Federation ‘works’ as an interstellar polity, and its relationships with some of its larger neighbours.
Very good point about TOS and the Vulcans BTW, and the Klingons… Yeah, TNG took what we saw of the (rebooted) Klingons in TSFS and really ran with it, so to speak. (Would’ve been interesting to see how they developed the Klingons as Federation members as was seemingly the intent in early TNG.)
I favor the idea that the refit Constitution-class (Constitution II-class) was on the way out, and that one of the last, if not the very last, Connie II's assembled was christened Enterprise-A, instead of whatever else it was going to be. Renaming a ship that had already been in active service is just silly.
Bracing myself for whatever canon there is that contradicts this.
Bracing myself for whatever canon there is that contradicts this.
I favor the idea that the refit Constitution-class (Constitution II-class) was on the way out, and that one of the last, if not the very last, Connie II's assembled was christened Enterprise-A, instead of whatever else it was going to be. Renaming a ship that had already been in active service is just silly.
Bracing myself for whatever canon there is that contradicts this.
There isn't any, that's the problem
My personal fan-canon is that the Ent-A was a “new old stock” Constitution II class ship built sometime in the early or mid 2270s, which was never commissioned for various reasons, but was never scrapped and stored in hanger space somewhere. Starfleet rushed it out as the Ent-A, fitting some 2280s tech onboard at the last moment before launch, which didn’t mesh properly with the decade-old stuff already installed, hence the issues Scotty had in TFF.I favor the idea that the refit Constitution-class (Constitution II-class) was on the way out, and that one of the last, if not the very last, Connie II's assembled was christened Enterprise-A, instead of whatever else it was going to be. Renaming a ship that had already been in active service is just silly.
Bracing myself for whatever canon there is that contradicts this.
I thought the Enterprise-A was supposed to be given another ships name, but then the Refit Enterprise got destroyed and StarFleet needed a new ship for Kirk & Company, so the original Constitution II class ships name got booted to the side and it got the USS Enterprise-A slapped on it.
Nothing in the films about that.
I know, it's just "Head Canon" for why they called a new "Constitution II class" ship the USS Enterprise after all the stuff that happened with Captain James T. Kirk & crew.
StarFleet brass could've done alot of things to Kirk's crew, but they showed appreciation for saving Earth.
Imagine the real U.S.S. Enterprise becoming a training ship in 1971 after 10 years.
Interesting idea for a fanfic.
Ok...*thinks* Hmmm...interesting.
The Lights of Zetar might be the dullest, worst TOS episode. I’ve watched through it four or five times, and even after just watching it recently, still couldn’t really tell you what the hell was happening.
And it’s not like I have a short attention span. The Motion Picture is my favorite film…Light of Zetar is just a SLOG.
And it’s not like I have a short attention span. The Motion Picture is my favorite film…Light of Zetar is just a SLOG.
To clarify, I mean THIS U.S.S. Enterprise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CVN-65) launched in 1961. If she had been converted to a cadet ship (something I'm pretty sure aircraft carriers never do, but I'm open to a counter example) after only 10 years she would have done so in 1971. IRL she went out of service FIFTY years later.
Over the years, my pick for very worst TOS episode has rotated between *checks notes* five episodes.
"The Alternative Factor"
"Spock's Brain"
"The Lights of Zetar"
"And the Children Shall Lead"
"Plato's Stepchildren"
I've arranged those five in what right now I think is best to worst.
"Turnabout Intruder" has never been right at the bottom, but it definitely deserves (dis)honorable mention for being such an awful episode. Today I'd place it below "Brain" but above "Zetar," but tomorrow I might feel differently.
"The Alternative Factor"
"Spock's Brain"
"The Lights of Zetar"
"And the Children Shall Lead"
"Plato's Stepchildren"
I've arranged those five in what right now I think is best to worst.
"Turnabout Intruder" has never been right at the bottom, but it definitely deserves (dis)honorable mention for being such an awful episode. Today I'd place it below "Brain" but above "Zetar," but tomorrow I might feel differently.
*starts taking notes*
Kinda sorta happens.
For a while the US Navy operated "training carriers". Most famously the Essex class USS Lexington occupied that role from 1963 (I think) until the early 90's. Mind you, when Lexington assumed that role she was already 20 years old, having been commissioned in 1943 during WW2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Lexington_(CV-16)
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