Well... it was better, certainly. But they should have just gone with "Archer's Theme" in the first place.
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Well... it was better, certainly. But they should have just gone with "Archer's Theme" in the first place.
"Archer's Theme" felt like a insert song you placed in a critical scene.
It's not what I would consider a "Opening Theme Song".
I liked the original version (S1/2) Theme Song, it was fine IMO.
More or less this.
I don't know if this is "controversial", but I don't think the Enterprise-A was the Yorktown, given the Yorktown was seen earlier in the same movie and there's no reason to replace its captain, senior officers, and crew.
Starfleet just handed Kirk a lemon as an asshole move to get back at him for sabotaging the Excelsior.
Starfleet just handed Kirk a lemon as an asshole move to get back at him for sabotaging the Excelsior.
Well people seem to think they all died but Kirk basically comes back in a moment or two later from their POV and their power hopefully restored because that probe has some dang uber tech, probably subspace based, to keep ships down and out and ionize a whole atmosphere.
yeah, I’ve never thought it was a re-christened ship. Just an unnamed one under construction.
for that matter I dont think the Enterprise B was ever supposed to be the Enterprise B either. But after Khitomer they thought it better to send the A off to the museum and start fresh by renaming a brand new Excelsior Class refit.
Yeah, but that doesn't fit with the tone of the movie AT ALL. It also doesn't fit the rest of what we see in the film where no one in Space Dock, no one in Starfleet Command, and no one anywhere else died. Leonard Nimoy and Harve Bennett wanted to make a movie with no dying and no villain. So the theory neither fits what was seen in the movie nor the spirit of the film the creators intended.
The Yorktown deploying its solar sail sort of confirms the ship and her crew would be okay, just roughing it with the bare minimum of shipwide power until the crisis ended. The Captain looks dazed, tired and in trouble but he's never shown to be in direct threat of death.
I've never understood why this theory even persists. It was mentioned in a few books, but, no one on screen ever suggested this was the case.
Where was it even established that the Yorktown mentioned (not seen) in The Voyage Home was a Constitution class ship to begin with?
I generally accepted the Enterprise-A was a brand-new starship evidenced by its very silver and shiny interior. The brief glimpses we have of the controls appear to be touchscreen, too. It's clearly a newer and more advanced starship than its predecessor.
I'll never accept this ship being repurposed to be the Enterprise-A. Scotty clearly states in his log entry that the ship was new.
Also the fact that the Enterprise wasn't working properly in the next movie seemed to lend credence to the theory that it was the Yorktown. I remember some theorizing that it was the result of residual damage caused by the probe. Had that actually been the case, I like to believe Scotty (or someone) would have brought that up at some point so Kirk had a better understanding of why his ship wasn't working.
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Now, I can buy that the 1701-A was originally going to be the Yorktown-A and was rechristened after Kirk and his crew saved Earth. There's no onscreen evidence for that theory, neither, but at least it frees the new Enterprise from the shackles of being an older starship that was damaged in the Whale Probe attack yet somehow polished, fixed and fully powered up for her launch as the 1701-A.
"James T. Kirk. The man was a menace." 
At this point it's safer letting Johnny Knoxville drive a rental car than it is giving Kirk a new ship.
I think the idea of it being a ship already existing / under construction came about because that just makes sense. Scott's Guide (which is way over there on the shelf and I'm eating breakfast so someone else can look it up) posits another ship (IIRC).
Roddenberry (in his last gasp as meddling former producer right before he took the reigns of TNG) suggested that it was the Yorktown because that was one of the original names of the hero ship in Star Trek. Maybe he said it after he was running TNG.
Fans then put those two notions together and poor Captain Vijay and his crew now get the chop. Nobody seems to think that the Saratoga met the same fate even though she was the first ship to be disabled while Kirk and Co. were still on Vulcania.
Roddenberry (in his last gasp as meddling former producer right before he took the reigns of TNG) suggested that it was the Yorktown because that was one of the original names of the hero ship in Star Trek. Maybe he said it after he was running TNG.
Fans then put those two notions together and poor Captain Vijay and his crew now get the chop. Nobody seems to think that the Saratoga met the same fate even though she was the first ship to be disabled while Kirk and Co. were still on Vulcania.
I refuse to believe it's the ship mentioned in Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise purely on the basis that the Ti-Ho just sounds like a silly name.
Yup. I read that book when I was a kid. The Enterprise-A was originally going to be called the Ti-Ho.
As far as I'm concerned, Roddenberry has no say over TWOK-TUC. He's a "consultant" and that's it. The final say for TVH goes to Harve Bennett, Nick Meyer, and Leonard Nimoy. The Big Three for the TOS Movies in general.
I think one of the reasons people think the Ent-A was rechristened from something else was that it just seems silly to retire a ship that was only in service for 6 years.
Here's a hot take... I could see Benjamin Sisko's choices as the commanding officer of Deep Space Nine being very controversial in Federation history.
- Allowing himself to become a religious figure on a world seeking Federation membership, and eventually coming to fully embrace it, probably steps on the toes of people in a secular society with the Prime Directive as its highest ethical consideration when interacting with alien cultures.
- Given Sisko's connection to the Bajorans and the Prophets, I have to believe there were veterans and families of the dead from the Dominion War that blamed Sisko for not collapsing the wormhole at the first sign of problems as much as Sisko blamed Picard for the loss of his wife at the hands of Locutus and the Borg. That there were probably a portion of the Alpha Quadrant who felt he sacrificed their security to protect a connection to the Celestial Temple. I always thought a perfect bookend would have been a story/scene where Sisko is treated in the same way as he treated Picard, and understand the weight of having to carry that burden.
- At the end of "What You Leave Behind," Sisko has disappeared and the Kai of Bajor has disappeared/burned in the fire caves. The only indication given to other characters as to what happened that we, as the audience see, is Sisko's message to Kassidy Yates. So, unless he appeared to others in orb visions to explain, everyone (including the entire population of Bajor) would have to take Kassidy's word on what happened. There has to be all sorts of conspiracy theories (which were alluded to in Lower Decks) as to what happened to Sisko and Kai Winn.
I'm sure there were people who blamed Sisko, but collapsing the wormhole would also have destroyed the thing that made Bajor so worthwhile, and possibly tantamount to genocide if it also resulted in the deaths of the Prophets.
Bajor would absolutely have believed Kasidy, and Starfleet believing her would have been as simple as putting her in a room with a telepath.
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