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Paramount apparently still doesn't get it...

Even the ones who are in favor of the current state of the franchise, should at least have noticed, that reception towards Picard S3 was exceptionally good.
And? All I want for the franchise is variety. One path forward is absurd and how we got things like Voyager and Enterprise and repeats of TNG style themes. Sorry, but variety is the spice of life, not conformity due to popularity. Popularity is caprcious, at best.
 
I am willing to bet against anyone, who still thinks that the Starfleet Academy show will be set in the 32nd. Stake: 100$ Doctors without Borders donation. I hope this doesnt go against the rules of this message board..

You seem to think that there are people as tribal as you are about when a theoretical show may theoretically take place.
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You seem to think that there are people as tribal as you are about when a theoretical show may theoretically take place.
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Indeed. Tribalism frustrates me, but in this franchise it bothers me even more. Instead of a mutual respect, there is just the playground rules and bets on who will win. :weep:
 
If SFA can maintain good stories, that's all that really matters. I do hope it has Tilly in it, as I am a fan of the character and I think Wiseman has just been tremendous in the role. but beyond that, I don't care, and I'm not going to gnash teeth if it doesn't happen. It's been beyond bizarre seeing people not really enjoying Picard on its own merits but somehow being happy because they think its success takes away from a different show they don't like. I've seen bits and pieces that before , but never this much sliminess at once.
 
It's been beyond bizarre seeing people not really enjoying Picard on its own merits but somehow being happy because they think its success takes away from a different show they don't like.

Nothing about that is „bizarre“. It is a tv franchise which obviously doesn’t benefit from releasing as many shows as possible. People who criticize NuTrek usually would like to see a clear cut with the current installments, at least for the most parts. Currently there is momentum for a different artistic approach. In show business this usually means, that plans have to get readjusted or even completely canceled. There shouldn’t be 5 simultaneous Trek shows to begin with. 2 good shows, (while good means enjoyable for the vast majority) must suffice.

Right now 2 of the 3 Trek live action shows have either ended or are to conclude within the next 12 months. SNW is the only live action show left, which gives CBS the chance for a fresh start. They can cancel Starfleet Academy and they can cancel potential other NuTrek series which could already be in development but haven’t got announced yet.

In the end it will be the success of Picard S3, which will eventually lead to the annulment of projects, the majority of people doesn’t want to watch (just like Discovery season 4).

There is nothing bizarre in rooting for the demise of a show, which by design will most likely suck…
 
Nothing about that is „bizarre“. It is a tv franchise which obviously doesn’t benefit from releasing as many shows as possible. People who criticize NuTrek usually would like to see a clear cut with the current installments, at least for the most parts. Currently there is momentum for a different artistic approach. In show business this usually means, that plans have to get readjusted or even completely canceled. There shouldn’t be 5 simultaneous Trek shows to begin with. 2 good shows, (while good means enjoyable for the vast majority) must suffice.

Right now 2 of the 3 Trek live action shows have either ended or are to conclude within the next 12 months. SNW is the only live action show left, which gives CBS the chance for a fresh start. They can cancel Starfleet Academy and they can cancel potential other NuTrek series which could already be in development but haven’t got announced yet.

In the end it will be the success of Picard S3, which will eventually lead to the annulment of projects, the majority of people doesn’t want to watch (just like Discovery season 4).

There is nothing bizarre in rooting for the demise of a show, which by design will most likely suck…

You are wanting something to stop, which other people enjoy, which does not affect you one way or another, because you don't like it.


Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental health condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others. People with antisocial personality disorder tend to purposely make others angry or upset and manipulate or treat others harshly or with cruel indifference. They lack remorse or do not regret their behavior.

Reference:

Antisocial personality disorder (2023) Mayo Clinic. Mayo Foundation for Medical Education and Research. Available at: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...onality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353928 (Accessed: April 21, 2023).
 
There is nothing bizarre in rooting for the demise of a show,
Yes, there is, when people are still enjoying said show. That's very bizarre in a franchise espousing diversity.
You are wanting something to stop, which other people enjoy, which does not affect you one way or another, because you don't like it.
Indeed.
Reference:

Antisocial personality disorder (2023) Mayo Clinic. Mayo Foundation for Medical Education and Research. Available at: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...onality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353928 (Accessed: April 21, 2023).
I'm always hesitant to diagnosis based upon online interactions.
 
You are wanting something to stop, which other people enjoy, which does not affect you one way or another, because you don't like it.

Well yeah, you see many people enjoy watching bulls getting killed in an arena. I want that to stop. Would you call that an „antisocial personality disorder“ too?

Change usually results in the transformation of the status quo. Every artistic decision the studio makes will most likely alienate at least some people. All i am saying is that many, many fans want to change the artistic direction of Star Trek. You can’t change it without cutting off old braids. There is nothing psychologically malignant about that, you are clearly exaggerating the situation…
 
All i am saying is that many, many fans want to change the artistic direction of Star Trek.
Then they should tell Paramount instead of yelling at people (figuratively speaking) who do enjoy it. I'm not going to stop enjoying Discovery because of some popularity contest. That's absurdist on it's face. I would have stopped liking Trek all together because my friends said other things are cooler. Doesn't make any sort of sense.
 
Well yeah, you see many people enjoy watching bulls getting killed in an arena. I want that to stop. Would you call that an „antisocial personality disorder“ too?

Strawman attack. I am pretty sure you haven't seen any animals harmed in the production of Star Trek, recently.

Since apparently I did go too far with the whole sociopath thing, which I apologize about, I am going to step out of this thread for awhile. This goes nowhere. But the way I see it, Star Trek is a franchise most of us like. Every success helps enable the other facets we like. But this nonsense of wanting to tear down the things we don't like, it doesn't do anyone any good. It might make someone feel better for a little while, but that's the extent of it. It would be nice to see fandom get out of that rut.

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But the way I see it, Star Trek is a franchise most of us like. Every success helps enable the other facets we like. But this nonsense of wanting to tear down the things we don't like, it doesn't do anyone any good. It might make someone feel better for a little while, but that's the extent of it. It would be nice to see fandom get out of that rut.
Absolutely. When I coached tennis the attitude we coaches shared was "If I win, we win; if we win I win." It was a community effort to support the whole team, not just ourselves, or the people we liked. Star Trek is the same way. Do I care about the popularity of it? Nope, but I am glad that multiple people are getting what they want out of it, allowing for more variety of programming to be produced. That's a win, in my book.

This saying stuff needs to be shut down is nearsighted at best. If Star Trek starts to make less money, there will be less and less of it. I suppose that's a good thing since there will be less to bitch about, right?
 
The reason paramount "doesn't get it" has more to do with modern society and the internet.

Everyone's become arrogant and egotistical and selfish and fake, with no experience, knowledge, talent, skill, or intellect to back it up.

Let's go back 60 years ago. Back then, being on TV or movies was a HUGE deal. You would almost instantly be famous. There were few channels. This pressured all the employees at these studios to create memorable, intellectual, and just great shows that people would be talking about for months and years.

This continued up until the early 2000s, where slowly quality had gone down.

With the advent of high speed internet, and a new generation of kids who didn't know life before the internet, aka, where everyone who was employed in media was FORCED to push out GREAT content, now, everyone's arrogant because their social media accounts got a few likes when they shoved their inexperienced, ignorant faces in the camera for 10 seconds to say and or do something stupid, and this only validated.to them.that their stupidity is actually their genius.

This is why everything is bad.

Ffs these kids are copying video games like mass effect and portal and trying to pass it off as an original story. Let's not forget the space mushrooms that someone ripped off for discovery. These kids are so pathetic, they don't even copy the BEST games, they copy some obscure game ONLY they like but are too ashamed to tell their few fake friends that they like it, so instead they copy the games plot line in the show they're tasked to write for.

No skill is required anymore to be employed in media. None.

And people are being pressured to get upset at the truth.

When Shatner said "Roddenberry would be turning in his grave at some of the stuff star trek puts out today", media companies started crying and everyone called him a "jerk". But I knew exactly what he meant because I understood this since day 1 episode 1 of discovery. Heck I knew this since "star trek" 2009. I bet Shatner watched parts of that movie and quickly turned it off in disgust. Meanwhile the fans who may not be critical.thinkers are easily pressured and puppeteered to accept the new trash and like it because they manipulate people psychological fear of feeling or being left out or having a target pointed at them. People desperately want to fit in, so when a billion dollar corporation pressures them to do so and has mass reach, everyone does it.

If no one here had this fear, we would all have decided long ago that new trek isnt Canon despite what paramount says, and we wouldn't care to watch the new stuff either. We would put up a list of what made trek, trek, and we'd fine none of the new shows check more than like 2% of the full list, and we would unanimously say the new stuff isn't trek.nor Canon.

But no, don't dare say anything bad, or like zombies, the ones who were pressured to defect to the dark side will send their armies of afraid people after you to pressure you to accept the new garbage or they will shun you.

I don't care. All of you people can laugh at me and hate me for all I care. Your CONFORMIST "opinions" are irrelevant to me. And I'm willing to bet at least HALF the people.here feel the same way but are just afraid to speak out fearing the onslaught of the conformists coming at them to destroy their online reputation. Anyone here who attacks fans for pointing out their dislike of new trek by trying to destroy their reputation, is a despicable shill. If you really like new trek, use arguments. But all I see is peolle going after reputations to force conformity because there is not ONE reason for anyone to like new trek
Yawn.

I suppose CBS settled that case for.no reason at all, did they..and I bet the person who included that plot point, somehow got promoted to a higher position, raising the level of arrogance even further at paramount. Yes Picard season 1 copied mass effect, and another season copied elements of portal the game. I understand by defending the status quo you ensure you'll have a bunch of people who will invite you to dinner, but I'm wayyyy past that phase of caring. I was past that phase at age 23. I can't believe there are 30-40 year Olds who still care what random people think of them. I keep getting my character attacked even though I haven't personally insulted anyone here. I've clearly stated my love for trek and my disgust for new trek.


Now normal, logical people, especially those whove watched trek and youd think understood logic and were partially inspired by Spock or tuvok, would start citing facts and evidence for why I am wrong, and why new trek is truly worthy of being called trek.

But nope. Your fear kicks in, and you attack my character and insult me for daring to challenge the status quo, all to draw attention to yourself and say "see. I'm attacking him. Im with you. Nutrek is best. I'm loyal to the status quo. Please like me", and now I'm sure you'll tell me how you're totally not being conformist, but then, why attack me personally and not challenge me with evidence? People conform and know it's bad, yet they do it anyway to fit in like a hive mind due to some fear of being singled out or alone, but when called out on it, quickly claim they're not conforming. Then what are you people doing by insulting me when I have only attacked the employees at paramount for producing trash?

You realize had they made a trek show that had the "spirit" of tng/ds9 etc and had similar stories and writing style, I wouldn't be here upset at paramounts talentless arrogant workers for ruining trek. Anything after st 2009 including movies and shows for me isn't Canon, and if anyone here grew up watching real trek, and was/is a real fan, they'd have no fear in coming out and agreeing with me, even if there are people here they know will instantly attack their character in a sad attempt to appear "loyal" to a status quo who obviously has more wealth and influence than we do, because we have true love and passion for trek, the people defending the status quo don't even realize they're being used as literal cannon fodder by paramount. All that work they do insulting fans with passion will be for nothing when they realize they won't get any special invitations to paramount or be friends with their talentless employees no matter how much they try to defend them.here.
Yawning intensifies.

Even the ones who are in favor of the current state of the franchise should at least have noticed, that reception towards Picard S3 was exceptionally good.

S03E10 received a 9.6 on IMDB, this is „BobW“ territory and overall it is (currently) the best rated Trek episode of all times.

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98% Tomatometer / 90% audience score are in the ballpark of Breaking Bad. People love Picard Season 3, they dont love:
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These things matter, even though some people around here still claim that CBS gives a rat’s ass about ratings and reception.

You can easily predict, that execs at CBS will reconsider the path they laid out for Trek. And one can also assume that the Starfleet Academy show will not be placed in the 32nd century. And one can project, that they will greenlight Star Trek Legacy asap…

I am willing to bet against anyone, who still thinks that the Starfleet Academy show will be set in the 32nd. Stake: 100$ Doctors without Borders donation. I hope this doesnt go against the rules of this message board..
Yawning reaching critical levels.

Nothing about that is „bizarre“. It is a tv franchise which obviously doesn’t benefit from releasing as many shows as possible. People who criticize NuTrek usually would like to see a clear cut with the current installments, at least for the most parts. Currently there is momentum for a different artistic approach. In show business this usually means, that plans have to get readjusted or even completely canceled. There shouldn’t be 5 simultaneous Trek shows to begin with. 2 good shows, (while good means enjoyable for the vast majority) must suffice.

Right now 2 of the 3 Trek live action shows have either ended or are to conclude within the next 12 months. SNW is the only live action show left, which gives CBS the chance for a fresh start. They can cancel Starfleet Academy and they can cancel potential other NuTrek series which could already be in development but haven’t got announced yet.

In the end it will be the success of Picard S3, which will eventually lead to the annulment of projects, the majority of people doesn’t want to watch (just like Discovery season 4).

There is nothing bizarre in rooting for the demise of a show, which by design will most likely suck…
And now…full coma induced.
 
A tv franchise will never be an all you can eat buffet. If CBS' annual budget for all Trek related content would exceed 1 billion $ i would certainly agree. Just produce as much content as possible, something will stick for everyone. Star Trek isn’t equipped with an unlimited budget though. As it looks right now, CBS has to deal with budget cuts, which will have an impact on the franchise. Overarching variety without focus on quality entertainment serves no one..

Canceling a show makes room for new ideas, thats why shows get canceled every year. It’s a part of entertainment reality.

We can’t have all the Trek we want, this implies that artistic change necessarily must result in the cancellation of the programs which resonate with the least amount of people. I am honestly sorry for everyone who „loses“ a favorite show to cancelation.
 
I am honestly sorry for everyone who „loses“ a favorite show to cancelation.
With due respect, I highly doubt that because this post is literally wishing for people to lose their favorite show.

Quite an interesting dialectic there.
As it looks right now, CBS has to deal with budget cuts, which will have an impact on the franchise.
So is every other streaming provider.
 
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Canceling a show makes room for new ideas, thats why shows get canceled every year. It’s a part of entertainment reality.

The reality is that a show will last as long as it is a good return on investment. Nothing more, nothing less.

Discovery lasted as long as it did because it was seen as a good return on investment. High dollar show lasting 5 seasons in the streaming environment is a pretty solid showing.
 
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