What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Richard S. Ta]

That is certainly an opinion fit for this thread.

I've enjoyed PIC S3. I've been getting the same glow from it as many others. I'm just curious where people will stand when some of that glow wears off. I'll be interested to see where I'll stand as I'm wavering on a few things right now.

All judgement reserved until Friday.

 

[Vger23]

As much as I consider myself a fan of the series, I am of the belief that S2 of PIC is one of the worst Star Trek seasons in the entire franchise. It had a great beginning and a pretty good end...but the middle 6-7 episodes were painful, insufferable dross.

I put S1 and S3 on roughly equal ground.

 

[cooleddie74]

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Bingo.

"The Star Gazer" was a fantastic episode. Q's final scenes with Picard were emotional and earned after 35 years of the franchise.

What came between was the worst season of any Trek series produced in this century.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I've enjoyed PIC S3. I've been getting the same glow from it as many others. I'm just curious where people will stand when some of that glow wears off. I'll be interested to see where I'll stand as I'm wavering on a few things right now.

All judgement reserved until Friday.

I enjoyed season 1 for what it was. I didn't dislike the new characters and I enjoyed catching up with the few old friends. The story was just fine. It just didn't "wow" me on any level.

 

[dmac]

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Bingo.

"The Star Gazer" was a fantastic episode. Q's final scenes with Picard were emotional and earned after 35 years of the franchise.

What came between was the worst season of any Trek series produced in this century.

I can get into old abandoned derelict stories that become a lifeboat and the only means of survival against the cold of space.

 

[Aragorn]

Not a controversial take, but in this age where media is either the greatest thing ever or the worst thing ever, I find that even the worst Star Trek movies aren't bad, but merely average. And they're all watchable.

 

[1001001]

Not a controversial take, but in this age where media is either the greatest thing ever or the worst thing ever, I find that even the worst Star Trek movies aren't bad, but merely average. And they're all watchable.

Except for TMP, I agree. I even like TFF, and NEM wasn’t as bad as I remembered.

What love I have for TOS really comes from their movies (2-6).

 

[Farscape One]

Not a controversial take, but in this age where media is either the greatest thing ever or the worst thing ever, I find that even the worst Star Trek movies aren't bad, but merely average. And they're all watchable.

With the exception of NEMESIS, '09, and INTO DARKNESS, I agree with you.

 

[Sci]

As much as I consider myself a fan of the series, I am of the belief that S2 of PIC is one of the worst Star Trek seasons in the entire franchise.

Nah. It wasn't Season Two of Star Trek: Enterprise or Seasons Five, Six, and Seven of Star Trek: Voyager.

 

[Ovation]

With the exception of NEMESIS, '09, and INTO DARKNESS, I agree with you.

Into Darkness and 09, in that order are MILES ahead of all the other movies to me. I guess that’s controversial?

 

[Aragorn]

Here's another hot take, before season 3, I had Picard dead last of all the Star Trek shows, and I say that as someone who gave up on Voyager midway through and will never watch it again.

 

[FormerLurker]

I don't know how controversial this is, but here goes;

Continuity is using elements from earlier episodes to flesh out stories in new ones. Canon is ST:TNG S03E26 is titled "The Best of Both Worlds."
I'm getting tired of people conflating the two as synonyms, or getting them backwards.

 

[dmac]

I don't know how controversial this is, but here goes;

Continuity is using elements from earlier episodes to flesh out stories in new ones. Canon is ST:TNG S03E26 is titled "The Best of Both Worlds."
I'm getting tired of people conflating the two as synonyms, or getting them backwards.

you broke my controversial meter!
I don't get tired of people and differing options, it's called being human.

 

[Citiprime]

My personal dislike for Pic, especially the first two seasons, aside...what I really fault it for from a non personal-taste view of things is how completely pointless Elnor and his identity as a Romulan was for the series as a whole. He might as well not have been there.

Which really sucks, because aside from Seven he was the only character I was even remotely interested in.

People who grew up in the 80s and watched a lot of TV from that era and before might be able to understand this better, but Elnor always came off to me as being written as both a sort of Wesley kid/teen character that was common to 80s television, mixed with the sort of Native American/Asian sidekick character that you would see in a lot of things back in the day in a lot of stuff (i.e., they'd put a Native American/Asian character into shows and movies who was naive about the ways of the modern world, but they could kick people's ass according to their old-fashioned spiritual ways which included carrying around bladed weapons).

 

[ananta]

As much as I consider myself a fan of the series, I am of the belief that S2 of PIC is one of the worst Star Trek seasons in the entire franchise. It had a great beginning and a pretty good end...but the middle 6-7 episodes were painful, insufferable dross.

I put S1 and S3 on roughly equal ground.

This likely isn’t a controversial take, but season 2 was just abysmal. The plot ultimately didn’t make a whit of sense to me. I kept on assuming they’d had an explanation for why not-Laris looked identical to Laris and ditto Soji/not-Soji. The truth was they’d contracted actors but hadn’t figured out how to actually incorporate their characters so they just came up with new ones who miraculously and inexplicably happened to look identical. I’ve still no idea what the Q storyline was all about or how and why an immortal being was dying. What they did with the new, friendly we’ll-only-assimilate-you-if-you-ask-nicely Borg was ludicrous and embarrassing. By the time Wesley Crusher showed up for precisely no logical reason, I’d checked out. There had been some bad seasons of Trek previously (ENT and VOY I’m looking at you), but nothing ever quite as shark jumping as this incoherent mess. I’m also not aware of another TV show that crudely jettisoned practically all their characters in such a short space of time.

 

[cooleddie74]

I liked the callbacks to the Sanctuary Districts of 2024, Gary Seven and Khan but damn, was Season 2 a bigger mess than should have legally been allowed. How that season nosedived from "The Star Gazer" to Picard mind-melding with an FBI agent who as a child met early Vulcan visitors to Earth(who then melded with him despite melding being a big taboo or outright no-no in the 20th century) I'll never know but at least the final episode had some lovely scenes with Q.

 

[Citiprime]

This likely isn’t a controversial take, but season 2 was just abysmal. The plot ultimately didn’t make a whit of sense to me. I kept on assuming they’d had an explanation for why not-Laris looked identical to Laris and ditto Soji/not-Soji. The truth was they’d contracted actors but hadn’t figured out how to actually incorporate their characters so they just came up with new ones who miraculously and inexplicably happened to look identical. I’ve still no idea what the Q storyline was all about or how and why an immortal being was dying. What they did with the new, friendly we’ll-only-assimilate-you-if-you-ask-nicely Borg was ludicrous and embarrassing. By the time Wesley Crusher showed up for precisely no logical reason, I’d checked out. There had been some bad seasons of Trek previously (ENT and VOY I’m looking at you), but nothing ever quite as shark jumping as this incoherent mess. I’m also not aware of another TV show that crudely jettisoned practically all their characters in such a short space of time.

You got the feeling that even Paramount realized how badly season 2 was going over by the fact they put out the trailer for season 3 in the middle of it as a sort of "please don't abandon the show, we swear there's better stuff coming" plea to the audience. It's the first time I've seen something like that where the network kinda gave up on a season in the middle of it.

 

[1001001]

This likely isn’t a controversial take, but season 2 was just abysmal. The plot ultimately didn’t make a whit of sense to me. I kept on assuming they’d had an explanation for why not-Laris looked identical to Laris and ditto Soji/not-Soji. The truth was they’d contracted actors but hadn’t figured out how to actually incorporate their characters so they just came up with new ones who miraculously and inexplicably happened to look identical. I’ve still no idea what the Q storyline was all about or how and why an immortal being was dying. What they did with the new, friendly we’ll-only-assimilate-you-if-you-ask-nicely Borg was ludicrous and embarrassing. By the time Wesley Crusher showed up for precisely no logical reason, I’d checked out. There had been some bad seasons of Trek previously (ENT and VOY I’m looking at you), but nothing ever quite as shark jumping as this incoherent mess. I’m also not aware of another TV show that crudely jettisoned practically all their characters in such a short space of time.

Season 2 of Picard is my least favorite season of any ST show.

 

[cooleddie74]

I had to make apologies to ENT Season 2 after that. Sweet Fancy Moses, was that a ten-episode slog for little reward.

 

[1001001]

I had to make apologies to ENT Season 2 after that. Sweet Fancy Moses, was that a ten-episode slog for little reward.

Generally agreed, but any season with Carbon Creek and Dead Stop can't be the worst, IMHO.

Picard Season 2 had no redeeming qualities that I could see.