29th century temporal agents crashed it on Veridian III to preserve the timeline they knew.
Spoilers The thing in bay 12
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If it were that easy why wouldn't Starfleet have done it anyway instead of this "cannot be salvaged" nonsense...
Because SF is sometimes run by clueless people (or at least, the writers make them that way).
Plus, as we know the writers wanted to go with a new ship for the big screen... aka, the E (nothing against the Sovereign class, but in all honesty, the D looked pretty great on the big screen if you ask me).
Heck, rebuilding the ship piece by piece would be piece of cake with replicators and transporters actually in a nick of time - but of course, the writers don't want to make it 'too easy'.
Anyway, salvaging the stardrive section from the Syracuse seems plausible. If the ENT-D lost its stardrive section, it stands to reason another Galaxy class may have lost its saucer.
Alternatively, SF should have just rebuilt the ENT-D because the saucer was largely intact as I mentioned before. Just make a new stardrive section, repair the saucer, upgrade the thing and let it fly.
I immediately tried to see what it says in the episode, but it was too small (or my screen too low-res) for that.
Hopefully the pylon markings are correct as well, would tell us the registry
Not being salvageable is probably just bureaucrat speak for not economical.
The effort necessary to rebuild the entire ship was better put i to an entirely new ship.
A two decade museum restoration project would not concern itself with economic value and practicality too much.
Wo try enough effort almost anything could be rebuild unless completely vaporized.
The effort necessary to rebuild the entire ship was better put i to an entirely new ship.
A two decade museum restoration project would not concern itself with economic value and practicality too much.
Wo try enough effort almost anything could be rebuild unless completely vaporized.
I would say the painting is not quite a face-value testament of the technical capabilities of the Galaxy class Ent-D or the World Razer, rather more of what Picard (either versions of him) would do given the nano second he has a chance to defeat the Borg with the view that they are a sworn enemy. The Ent-D/World Razer is just an instrument of his will.
When the Ent-D picked at the Borg Cube in Q-who, it suggested they followed starfleet protocol at the time, only fire in response to a threat (i.e terminate the tractor beam) and not with excess force. The same measured response in ST3 with the connie Enterprise vs BoP, Kirk refrained after two torpedoes, albiet Kirk premptively fired first!
Anyway I am just clutching at straws in hopes to see the Enterprise D emphatically kick some ass after some 30 years of screen absence ...
Another detail, Geordi said there were still some issues with the port nacelle, if you look closely there does seem to be same damage on it
The nacelle pylon appears to say NCC-17744 on the Time square model
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The nacelle pylon appears to say NCC-17744 on the Time square model
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With enough time/effort a "totaled" car can be repaired as well, but that doesnt mean the insurance company thinks it's worth the trouble! But an enthusiast might still wanna fix it upIf it were that easy why wouldn't Starfleet have done it anyway instead of this "cannot be salvaged" nonsense...
Like a good neighbor, Fed Farm is there...With enough time/effort a "totaled" car can be repaired as well, but that doesnt mean the insurance company thinks it's worth the trouble! But an enthusiast might still wanna fix it up
Fire on the bridge, activate emergency force-fields.
Not installed until Tuesday.
I just tweeted Terry Malalas (not expecting a reply) about whether there's a chance part of the go Ent-D stardrive survived/were salavaged in orbit of Veridian III - it would make sense to try clean up as many bits of debris if they're trying to adhere to the Prime Directive (i.e. to avoid a situation where they develop early space travel and find these giant scraps of starship hull seeing "Enterprise" and start worshipping it as their alien ancestor/God).
In any case, in the weeds of nice-to-have fan service (and ignore the sad way we lost the ship in Generations) knowing that bits and pieces of the stardrive/deflector etc. (hell even engineering if the warp core suddenly decided it felt like ejecting later in the breach) which could have been used to put it back together.
In saying that, based on what we've seen in high-res images of the ship says that it's Syracuse on the stardrive.
In any case, in the weeds of nice-to-have fan service (and ignore the sad way we lost the ship in Generations) knowing that bits and pieces of the stardrive/deflector etc. (hell even engineering if the warp core suddenly decided it felt like ejecting later in the breach) which could have been used to put it back together.
In saying that, based on what we've seen in high-res images of the ship says that it's Syracuse on the stardrive.
Just a thought - "non salvageable" from Generations might mean she'll never be up to standards as a working Starfleet ship. And she isn't. She's a museum piece intended for touring and such cheesy stuff, which our heroes have taken out for their proposterous nostalgia galaxy-saving. Let's not kid ourselves, the Defiant was right there and she was designed to fight the Borg. And had a cloaking device.
You're completely right about the real world reason for not restoring the ship, they wanted a new one for the movies. In universe, however restoring the ship would be a very difficult job.
You can't just build a new stardrive section. It's been made clear that building ships takes years and that's once you actually start building one. Shipyard and dock facilities as well as workforces would be blocked out for years in advance, long lead items (warp cores etc) need ordering years in advance. In the real world it takes about 15 years from ordering a reactor to a nuclear sub going to sea. You can't just insert a major item like this (the stardrive section alone is bigger than most starships) and expect it to roll off the line in a year or two. If it was that easy to build new ships then they wouldn't have been flying around in TNG in Excelsiors and Mirandas.
Geordi has had 20 years to work on the damage to the saucer and the ship flies, but we don't know how much of the interior has been restored. All the crew compartments, laboratories, leisure facilities, toilets? (hopefully there's enough of the latter for 7 people!) Starfleet would need to ask itself if all of this is an efficient use of resources, or should we just slap the name on a ship already under construction. They obviously came to the latter conclusion.
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