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It's fact that they're all Star Trek, it's an opinion that you don't think they're Trek. It's wrong, but opinions are relative.No, it's an opinion. It's wrong, but opinions are such relative things.
If I have to live with "Fair Haven(VOY)" and "Let He Who Is Without Sin...(DS9)" being REAL and official Trek then you can live with the stuff you don't like.
I actually have proof that Cool Eddie can make real Elton John music better than Elton John.
I don't think I can live with that...
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Well, that's not true.
I don't think it is. But let's start the rumor anyways.
I don't think it is. But let's start the rumor anyways.
There is the legal side, no one would ever want to dispute. But there is also the question, whether a company, which somehow obtained the rights to a long standing franchise with substantial cultural impact, should hold the sovereignty of interpretation.
If if state for example that DISCO is not „True Star Trek“, i merely exclude the show from my personal Star Trek canon. Something which i am perfectly comfortable with, since the entire franchise is based on fictional future events.
After all canon is constructively defined by those who actually cherish its contents. If the majority of fans discard certain events of the franchise, these events might legally be canon but they will never be part of the cultural lore.
Look at the LotR franchise. It’s highly unlikely that Rings of Power will ever reach the status of canon within the Tolkinverse, primarily due to the fans who reject it.. Right holders doesn’t have a say in this cultural consideration.
If if state for example that DISCO is not „True Star Trek“, i merely exclude the show from my personal Star Trek canon. Something which i am perfectly comfortable with, since the entire franchise is based on fictional future events.
After all canon is constructively defined by those who actually cherish its contents. If the majority of fans discard certain events of the franchise, these events might legally be canon but they will never be part of the cultural lore.
Look at the LotR franchise. It’s highly unlikely that Rings of Power will ever reach the status of canon within the Tolkinverse, primarily due to the fans who reject it.. Right holders doesn’t have a say in this cultural consideration.
In all seriousness, CBS/Paramount can slap the label "Star Trek" on anything and shove it out there. But a label alone doesn't make it Star Trek.
Green Giant can slap a label that says 'green beans' on a tin can of creamed corn. It wouldn't change the contents.
That's all that matter.
Who cares? Why does this matter at all? The rights holders declare canon and we work within it, and ignore what we don't like. But, if I say "TNG isn't canon" but enjoy TUC and Spock, and he shows up in TNG do I say his appearances are not canon? What?
It becomes a ouroboros of nonsense after a time. I don't care about cultural lore because that sounds like an excuse to not like something to me.
In this case yes, yes it does. It's a legal thing, not a "I feel it" thing.
You can't compare Star Trek to food.
Why not just say "I don't like it, and I'm not going to watch it anymore"?
Saying it's "not true Star Trek" when it obviously is, just seems stupid to me.
Nobody said it HAS to be GOOD Star Trek. Some of it hasn't been. But there's no legal requirement for longtime Star Trek fans to have their new content be good and there's no law that Trek we don't like isn't "real" Trek.
Why slap a label on it? Just say you don't like it and move on.
I hate Nemesis with a passion, but it's still Star Trek, me hating it isn't going to change that.
Exactly, future series are going to reference the stuff you don't like.
Well I did. So... Yes I can.
Although you might find this helpful:
a·nal·o·gy
noun
- a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
"an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"- a correspondence or partial similarity.
"the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia" - a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects.
"works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"
- a correspondence or partial similarity.
A food stuff is an agreed upon label. Heck there are definitions of everything in the food world. Corn is corn.
Star Trek is not a food stuff. It's legal distinction is that it is a science fiction show owned by Paramount/Viacom/CBS. What they say is Star Trek is Star Trek.
Star Trek is not a food stuff. It's legal distinction is that it is a science fiction show owned by Paramount/Viacom/CBS. What they say is Star Trek is Star Trek.
Unless it has a corn content of less than 3% and a cheese content of less than 5%.
Boimler doing the naked leg spread is just as official and just as canon a Trek moment as Kirk letting Edith Keeler die. Nobody said we have to like an animated Starfleet officer spread eagle with his bits hanging out but it's Star Trek.
With almost 1,000 hours of content since 1966 we have a wide variety to choose from and, yeah, some of it's dumb or even offensive. But it's not "fake" Star Trek.
With almost 1,000 hours of content since 1966 we have a wide variety to choose from and, yeah, some of it's dumb or even offensive. But it's not "fake" Star Trek.
The TNG cast had a perfectly fine send off with AGT.
Had the movies not happened I would agree. Nemesis was not a satisfying end for the Tng cast
Yup. And that's how it ends for me. The rest is just holodeck fan fiction by in universe fans.
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