How did they know Jurati's group would go there? Picard got to that conduit from Earth in a few hours in season 2 so why couldn't Picard still contact that group for help once he found out that Borg were involved?
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How did they know Jurati's group would go there? Picard got to that conduit from Earth in a few hours in season 2 so why couldn't Picard still contact that group for help once he found out that Borg were involved?
her bridge had the air quality of a Cheech and Chong set.
"How are you flying?"
[*Long pause*]
"I think we're parked, Man."
[*Long pause*]
"I think we're parked, Man."
The classical definition of Decimate was to reduce a enemy force by 1/10th, not reduce down to 1/10th.
So you lost 10% of your forces.
I've been asking this ever since it was revealed Jack was a Borg. Jurati should be the first person Picard should ask for help
You just liked the dreary chateau suicide story. This was a opportunity the borg got with Jack not a 35 year plan. Picard hearing the borg was an after effect if what was left if the borg in his system so he was still a receiver. When the borg became aware of Jack being a transmitter that's when a plan was hatched. Really how hard is that to understand.
A fact which ruined Admiral Marcus' otherwise passionate rant about Starfleet and the Klingons in Into Darkness.
God, I hope you're serious this time.
You must have no attention span. The Cube came in on a transwarp conduit. It wasn't just sitting there, it chose there as a meeting point. Maybe you should address your hate at your own inability to fill in the blanks in your understanding with the details presented on screen, instead of the writing. And 2 posts later you complain about someone saying the same thing I did on the grounds that they can't argue that your complaint is invalid for not getting the details right because it was in response to something else.
What? The only way the plot of a show could work is if the show actually followed the plot? No shit. How can you legitimately complain about this? Do you expect to see all angles of every plan with contingencies for things that could go wrong? Why would anyone want that?
He misses everything and goes on rants about how stupid the plot is. Dude probably watched the episodes while spending most of his time and attention posting complaints here on another device. He is
"I have no problem with people liking it, but if they really like it I am going to keep harping on them about it." And no you do not back it up. You don't remember enough about what is said or shown in the episodes or in TNG / VOY/ TNG Movies
This is probably what most of the people who are complaining are complaining about, Trek in general. It is not real life, it is not a reasonable depiction of a military organization, it is just a space fantasy show where the good guys almost always win without consequence. The others complain when something new is not fully consistent with all that came before.
A show that was anywhere near as complex enough to be 'realistic' would not be entertaining at all.
Ok my take on all this.
Picard having his DNA re-written is explicitly mentioned in BOBW II, once he was back aboard the Enterprise. This was being done by the Borg and implied his assimilation was ongoing. I think this was a deliberate back up plan to create an organic receiver in him in the event that the crew removed all his Borg tech, this worked as in First Contact he could still hear them, something I've posted elsewhere that I suspect S31 realised and made damn sure he never encountered them again to stop him being taken over.
There is scope for the Borg to put such back up plans into place, in VOY Drone, you see the drone create a back up transceiver when the original is deactivated.
In Dark Frontier they talk of an assimilation virus as being a long term plan, so the fact that Picard could still hear them and with the right signal, possibly still be controlled by them is a back up plan but one that doesn't get them a great deal but is an ace in the hole if they face off with Picard again.
The Jack issue I think we have all misread totally, it was never the Borg's plan to use Jack as a transmitter, this happened but was not planned as we see the cube activating something to turn everyone into drones, I think Jack being a natural transmitter has the potential to stop it and this is why the Borg needed him so badly. Given Wesley is a traveller with the ability to alter thought and reality, could Beverly's genes be why this receiver DNA mutated into transmitter DNA as Jack has some degree of traveller abilities?
So in conclusion the DNA plan was just a back up plan that got expanded upon when the Borg realised they could use the Changelings to infiltrate ships and alter the transporter code. It is a bit of a stretch but works for me.
Picard having his DNA re-written is explicitly mentioned in BOBW II, once he was back aboard the Enterprise. This was being done by the Borg and implied his assimilation was ongoing. I think this was a deliberate back up plan to create an organic receiver in him in the event that the crew removed all his Borg tech, this worked as in First Contact he could still hear them, something I've posted elsewhere that I suspect S31 realised and made damn sure he never encountered them again to stop him being taken over.
There is scope for the Borg to put such back up plans into place, in VOY Drone, you see the drone create a back up transceiver when the original is deactivated.
In Dark Frontier they talk of an assimilation virus as being a long term plan, so the fact that Picard could still hear them and with the right signal, possibly still be controlled by them is a back up plan but one that doesn't get them a great deal but is an ace in the hole if they face off with Picard again.
The Jack issue I think we have all misread totally, it was never the Borg's plan to use Jack as a transmitter, this happened but was not planned as we see the cube activating something to turn everyone into drones, I think Jack being a natural transmitter has the potential to stop it and this is why the Borg needed him so badly. Given Wesley is a traveller with the ability to alter thought and reality, could Beverly's genes be why this receiver DNA mutated into transmitter DNA as Jack has some degree of traveller abilities?
So in conclusion the DNA plan was just a back up plan that got expanded upon when the Borg realised they could use the Changelings to infiltrate ships and alter the transporter code. It is a bit of a stretch but works for me.
But if they just wanted him gone, they could have killed him a dozen times over. They repeatedly and pointedly wanted to take him.
This is them making up for all the "Only ship in the quadrant" stuff from the last fifty years.
the only way I've found to square that circle is that they want to study him to understand HOW it happened to make sure it doesn't happen again, if they kill him they do not understand it and lack the ability to adapt to it, which is the Borg's MO
none of this is even implied in the show at all.
Vadic was working for the Borg Queen. They were trying to capture him to take him to her.
He was the transmitter. They didn't want him dead.
True but when they activate you see some big technology inside the cube come to life, this is what I took to be the transmitter.
Trek often doesn't square the circle. It's just the nature of the franchise and I'm fine with that.
Ok Vadic is sent to get Jack.
She fails.
He comes anyway. Check.
Meanwhile the Borg take over the fleet. Destroy Excelsior. Are about to attack Space Dock. Are clearly winning.
Why do the Borg need Jack?
What is he supposed to do?
And if they needed him so badly - perhaps to control the fleet - who’s coordinating the fleet now? No sign of Queen Borg comms so far. (And the fleet takeover is going pretty well so far).
Sorry not quite getting the “Jack” part and if he’s not needed to take over the fleet - clearly! - why not get him later on when you have a whole fleet to do so?
She fails.
He comes anyway. Check.
Meanwhile the Borg take over the fleet. Destroy Excelsior. Are about to attack Space Dock. Are clearly winning.
Why do the Borg need Jack?
What is he supposed to do?
And if they needed him so badly - perhaps to control the fleet - who’s coordinating the fleet now? No sign of Queen Borg comms so far. (And the fleet takeover is going pretty well so far).
Sorry not quite getting the “Jack” part and if he’s not needed to take over the fleet - clearly! - why not get him later on when you have a whole fleet to do so?
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