I would assume, among fans of both, that this season would be considered better for most.
PIC Season 3 compared to other Late Sequels
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I would assume, among fans of both, that this season would be considered better for most.
Divisive =\= bad. I don't want consensus in my fandom.
I'm sure you'll get exactly what you want. And I hope you enjoy it.
And to be clear, the value I see in the ST is that things moved. This feels very much a repeat. That doesn't feel respectful at all. It feels...stuck. It feels like the only way for these characters to have value is for them to be exactly in the same positions as they were 25 years ago. And that's not healthy to me.
Divisive =\= bad. I don't want consensus in my fandom.
I'm sure you'll get exactly what you want. And I hope you enjoy it.
And to be clear, the value I see in the ST is that things moved. This feels very much a repeat. That doesn't feel respectful at all. It feels...stuck. It feels like the only way for these characters to have value is for them to be exactly in the same positions as they were 25 years ago. And that's not healthy to me.
I disagree, because the ST felt like nothing had changed. Still a rebel group fighting an empire group. Leia was still a leader in the rebellion, Han and Chewbacca were together doing their thing. Only Luke changed.
I've been critical of this season but the TNG characters are all different and were all in different places in their lives than they were when we last saw them. And for Picard, I feel like he had to build to get himself back to this point from the events in seasons 1-2.
I think the ST could have been done better, and you do have a point about Leia. But this season has basically gone through a lot of effort to put them back these characters back in same seats, literally. They even joke about "Captain Picard." That's not growth. That's regression. And I'm supposed to tear up and cheer!???
Sorry I like the story but the characters are starting to regress for me. And that's not how I would like to feel ending in to the conclusion. I would like to feel a measure of excitement and I don't.
Divisive =\= bad. I don't want consensus in my fandom.
I'm sure you'll get exactly what you want. And I hope you enjoy it.
I prefer majority consensus over divisiveness. And even today, it is possible. The MCU Phases 1-3 proves it with near unanimous critical, audience and fan praise. Aim to make your audience happy, and Picard S3 does it.
We have seen the characters moved.
Picard as a father and potential family man. Riker in the Captain's chair who is going through a rebirth phase. Data as a fully-formed human, Geordi as a strict father and commanding officer, Worf as a badass monk who tries to focus on his internal and emotional development...
And we have the new generation of the family set up.
Aim to make the majority happy. That does not mean all and don't speak for all.
All undone in this last episode. Sorry it doesn't ring true any more for this "happy ending" everyone is clamoring for.
At the beginning I would have agreed with you. I liked it, I valued it, I enjoyed Worf, and Raffi, and Picard (somewhat) and Crusher (sort of). I despised Jack and don't really have much care for him, though more so since episode 8. I am satisfied with Geordi and Data (mostly).
But this past episode undoes it. And it's a bitter pill to swallow.
No, we don't. We have potential. And I don't see it going the way people want.
Change is not always positive. Change means challenge, difficulty, stress, anxiety and even failure. That's what I am interested in is characters challenged and moving, not characters moving and moving and moving and then...oh, you're back on the Enterprise because we're "the crew of the Enterprise!"I suppose our views on positive character progression are not in agreement.
Nostalgia is not enjoyable this time around.
Change is not always positive. Change means challenge, difficulty, stress, anxiety and even failure. That's what I am interested in is characters challenged and moving, not characters moving and moving and moving and then...oh, you're back on the Enterprise because we're "the crew of the Enterprise!"
Nostalgia is not enjoyable this time around.
What you're personally interested in isn't what the majority fans and audiences want. That's something you gotta accept. The show can't be made to suit your own personal wants all the time. We wanted a crowd-pleasing satisfying payoff for once, and we're getting it.
You've admitted you don't even like TNG that much, so I'm not surprised with this outcome.
There was plenty of challenges, difficulty and stress that the characters experienced during this season, it wasn't a joyride.. and it's not over yet! Buckle up.
"We?" I love the exclusionary language here. I don't want it to cater to me but I won't fall in to lock step with popular opinion either.
It has a steep hill to climb after this past episode, sorry to say.
According to whom?
Again, just take a look at the extremely positive reactions across social media, and near unanimous positive reviews. This is working.
The only person I can speak for-me.
I refuse to speak for the audience largely because they are (supposedly) individuals who all have their own opinions.
It really was.
Well recognize that the show could still be great Trek and doing everything right for mass audiences and fans, even if it doesn't work for you personally.
It's not healthy storytelling. Feeding us nostalgia is not challenging us as viewers. It's also not healthy for the franchise. These actors are going to die eventually, and if Paramount puts too many eggs in the nostalgia basket, where will that leave us?
On the other hand, maybe they'll allot a huge budget to recreate all of our favorites with AI-generated audio-visuals and I'll be has happy as a pig in slop watching dead-eyed Picard and friends' never ending adventures on the Enterprise-D as my old bones rot into the couch cushions.
No.
I state my opinions and that is all. I don't care about the majority because I have no impact on them, and they have no impact on me.
Speak to me about your opinion and I'll engage with that. Otherwise, I'm could without the platitudes of group think.
I honestly don't know at this point. I look forward to rewatching this whole season to see if I like it better second round but right now nostalgia is on the menu and I'm not hungry for cake and excessive frosting.
I don't see the issue at all with the Nostalgia. They have given enough newer stuff as well. As for not healthy for the franchise...huh???? Some of these characters(seven for example) can definitely headline their own show. Worf, Riker etc. They are important to Star Trek....they are still young enough for some more material while introducing new characters. I'm having a really hard time understanding some peoples logic on this. I did not hear nearly the complaints when we got more Spock, Chapel, uhura, Pike, T'Pring , Kirk etc.....
At least we are not getting recasts with our TNG favorites. They are moving forward with new characters that I'm sure we will see again ...
Kirk sucks.
The only reason I wanted SNW was Pike. If Kirk is in it then no thanks.
Are we now?
There's no group think required. Your personal take on it is, of course, valid. Heck I've seen one or two who dislike The Wrath of Khan out there, so stranger things have happened.
If this finale and this season makes the majority fans, audiences and reviewers happy, that is awesome. If a few had a miserable time with it, it doesn't take away from it's near unanimous positive reception.
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