What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Farscape One]

Yes, but those are episodes, not movies. If a movie is on the same scale as a TV episode, that's ripping off the audience.

I know that.

I was going back to the topic of the thread, and my opinion is on episodes themselves.

I agree movies should be a bigger scale, but you also don't need a $200 million budget to do a good one. The bigger the cost, the more it HAS to make just to break even. I'm not saying do a $1 million one, but there comes a point when the studio is just throwing money at a project just to spend it.

 

[shyborg]

I don’t know what to say. Others have explained the problems with your idea in more detail than me. People, most likely even fans, wouldn’t watch such a thing with a feeling of nostalgia. They’d be wondering why they paid money to watch something that looks like shit in a franchise which has spent the last few decades aiming much, much higher.

It is however a controversial opinion, so for the purposes of this thread you’re welcome to it.

My apologies, I have a hard articulating my thoughts clearly sometimes. So I know conceptually why my idea may not work. For the financial part, I didn't explain myself well. I just meant I wanted a smaller budgeted movie and kind of go back to certain practical effects. Rather than needing a big budget when it's hard for even popular films to make money

I know unless it was a gem of a script/movie, I know it wouldn't work for theaters. I was thinking it could have a chance on streaming

I agree that Trek should also be about striving for something higher. I like that they have also tried different things as well: an animated sitcom, cartoon for kids of all ages, revisiting past characters, exploring a far future, etc.

 

[Magistos]

I'm going to enjoy the Picard finale regardless.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

My apologies, I have a hard articulating my thoughts clearly sometimes. So I know conceptually why my idea may not work. For the financial part, I didn't explain myself well. I just meant I wanted a smaller budgeted movie and kind of go back to certain practical effects. Rather than needing a big budget when it's hard for even popular films to make money

I know unless it was a gem of a script/movie, I know it wouldn't work for theaters. I was thinking it could have a chance on streaming

I agree that Trek should also be about striving for something higher. I like that they have also tried different things as well: an animated sitcom, cartoon for kids of all ages, revisiting past characters, exploring a far future, etc.

No apology is required. In fact, I apologise if I came over harshly.

 

[Commander Troi]

I'm glad the JJ movies aren't bottle shows because I don't want to have to spend a moment longer on that bridge than I have to.

I rather liked their bridge.

 

[Sci]

This might be a controversial opinion.

You don't need every episode of a tv show to have a $5 million budget to be great. Some of the massive amounts of graphics and screen overlays can be significantly reduced or just be gone, and I think for the better. (I feel like it's a mess of graphics trying to sift through it, anyway.) So much money is dumped into the post-production for those graphics, it uses up a lot of time and money.

The amount of money and time saved by reducing that... you can easily fit in 2 - 3 more episodes a season.

And using the older shows as a barometer, you can have great bottle episodes, such as...

"THE NAKED TIME"
"THE MENAGERIE" two-parter
"THE EMPATH" (almost the entire episode is in the Vians' lab)
"Where Silence Has Lease"
"The Offspring"
"Clues"
"The Drumhead"
"Lower Decks"
"DUET"
"WHISPERS"
"THE WIRE"
"IN THE CARDS"
"PROJECTIONS"
"SHUTTLEPOD ONE"
"SIMILITUDE"
"OBSERVER EFFECT"

Given the kinds of financial pressures streamers are all coming under, I think we're going to see a re-alignment of streaming television budgets and Star Trek will not be exempt. I think the era of individual episodes getting budgets in the tens of millions of dollars is coming to a close, and we're not going to see shows with the kinds of budgets of Star Trek: Discovery or Stranger Things in a couple of years, or if we do it will only be rarely. I think Star Trek is going to have to learn how to do more with less once again in the near future.

 

[fireproof78]

I rather liked their bridge.

Best Bridge since TOS in my opinion.

 

[Tallguy]

Best Bridge since TOS in my opinion.

*ahem*

Ewwwwwwwwww!

 

[Weyoun 251]

I am very sorry, but.....

As a Dutch person, we follow the news about the political situation in the States with great interest. Especially when something like a rush at Capitol is happening. So, no. Saying someone is European so not interested in the political situation in the States is false.
Richard S. Ta is right in that the entire Trump situation is getting more boring to us everyday, but that's because we simply don't understand how someone like that could actually gather people around him like he does. Then again, the US also loves The Kardashians for some reason...

If a person from a European country (yes, Europe isn't a country) doesn't follow international news, they are most likely also less interested in what happens in Europe or even in his/her/their own country. Being aware of the geo-political situation is necessary to follow the intricacies of owns national political sitation. In 2023 these are all highly connected.

This goes for me and many of the people I know in England - especially with our own "Trump the Lesser" in Boris Johnson running the show at the time we were tuned in with great interest due to the parallels

 

[Sci]

It's one thing to not follow U.S. politics closely, but to not recognize the name of the U.S. Vice President or to not have followed any news about the literal attempt to overthrow the U.S. government and install a dictatorship on 6 January 2021 is... a bit much.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Given the kinds of financial pressures streamers are all coming under, I think we're going to see a re-alignment of streaming television budgets and Star Trek will not be exempt. I think the era of individual episodes getting budgets in the tens of millions of dollars is coming to a close, and we're not going to see shows with the kinds of budgets of Star Trek: Discovery or Stranger Things in a couple of years, or if we do it will only be rarely. I think Star Trek is going to have to learn how to do more with less once again in the near future.

There's definitely huge changes coming to how we define "TV". And people aren't going to return to cable. And they aren't going to simply acquiesce to the very thing that drove them away from cable in the first places: the excessive advertising ON TOP of paying a monthly sub. So a lot of streaming services are going to start to go under -- sooner than later. And Paramuon will be one of the first to go.

 

[Commander Troi]

*ahem*

Ewwwwwwwwww!

OK, what don't you like about it? And remember... be controversial!

 

[Tallguy]

OK, what don't you like about it? And remember... be controversial!

I have no controversial opinions about the JJ bridge. "It looks like an Apple store (and not in a good way)" is conventional wisdom.

It has no depth (physically or philosophically). It's the helm, the captain's chair, and a wall, blocking the commander from the command center. (?!?) The only thing that gives it shape are the bright lights pointed directly at the camera.

It's monotone. It looks like the playsets of earlier bridges that didn't look anything like what we saw in the show or the movies.

It feels like someone took a Star Wars fan and said "NO GREEBLIES!" and the SW fan figured if he just covered every inch with still meaningless detail but not greebly detail he could get away with it.

Maybe my Google powers are just weak, but I can't find a single drawing of that monstrosity. It's a bridge that's so bad that TREKIES won't draw it!

I kinda like the window.

 

[fireproof78]

I love the Kelvin Bridge. I play the VR just to walk around in it. So nice.

Reminds me of this Phase II concept.

And if there is an Apple Store that looks like this I will go there gladly and not whine about Apple products.

 

[Farscape One]

The Kelvin bridge... terrible look.

I'm getting blinded by the lights just thinking about it.

 

[fireproof78]

The Kelvin bridge... terrible look.

I'm getting blinded by the lights just thinking about it.

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[Farscape One]

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Which makes me wonder if Bruce Springsteen DID travel back in time after watching STAR TREK '09, describe the Kelvin bridge to his younger self, and write a song about it.

A leads to B leads to C leads to A.

 

[dmac]

My apologies, I have a hard articulating my thoughts clearly sometimes. So I know conceptually why my idea may not work. For the financial part, I didn't explain myself well. I just meant I wanted a smaller budgeted movie and kind of go back to certain practical effects. Rather than needing a big budget when it's hard for even popular films to make money

I know unless it was a gem of a script/movie, I know it wouldn't work for theaters. I was thinking it could have a chance on streaming

I agree that Trek should also be about striving for something higher. I like that they have also tried different things as well: an animated sitcom, cartoon for kids of all ages, revisiting past characters, exploring a far future, etc.

It's little more than a passing thought with fan film producers and writers that's quickly dismissed once reality sets in.
That doesn't make it a bad idea, just one to hold over in case you ever found yourself in a mirror verse void of corporate dictators and their lawyers.
That said, Keep on thinking. A single thought may break the bonds of oppression and it might be yours.

 

[fireproof78]

Which makes me wonder if Bruce Springsteen DID travel back in time after watching STAR TREK '09, describe the Kelvin bridge to his younger self, and write a song about it.

A leads to B leads to C leads to A.

CBT. I recognize that reference.

 

[1001001]

CBT. I recognize that reference.

Or it’s a reference to Future’s End.



And the ABC model is from REBT.