Dating Picard

[Christopher]

https://twitter.com/daveblass/status/1645154249481895937?s=46&t=GJ4lIGndtLwuph_LJO2AJw

The series finale takes place April 12th 2401, and airs on April 12th

No, this week's episode is #9 of 10, the penultimate episode as the tweet says. The finale is next week. But they said last week that Frontier Day is only hours away, so presumably both of the last two episodes (or at least the penultimate and the first part of the ultimate) will take place on that day.

Also, the show usually comes out on Thursday, so this week's episode should release on the 13th. I guess they mean it releases at the stroke of midnight on the night of the 12th, though technically that would be the morning of the 13th.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah I miscounted

 

[Yistaan]

Better to acknowledge that things still happen when we don't see them, especially in the movie era where we have installments that are years apart.

This is a problem in all the modern genre filmed fiction now, not just Star Trek. The movie Avengers only talk about New York and Sokovia, and years go by without anything important happening in between. Fully expect Gamora to still act completely new in Guardians of the Galaxy Part 3 despite having had probably more time to get readjusted to the team than the "original" Gamora did to get to know them in the first place!

Star Wars hit this problem once Disney rebooted it too. Luke made no new Jedi in 30 years. Boba Fett spent 5 years moping in the desert. Etc. Their lives are bizarrely centered not on what organically happens in the Star Wars universe but whenever a new SW tv show or movie premieres on Earth. They took this to a new extreme by basically turning Darth Vader from the widely feared No. 2 man in the galaxy before Disney to some weird sorcerer who no one knows who hides in Mustafar, just to justify Kenobi not knowing who he is in the Obi-Wan show (in the old continuity, Kenobi knew of Vader by watching the holonet on Tatooine).

 

[Tuskin38]

Luke made no new Jedi in 30 years.

Yes he did, they were just killed by Kylo.

to some weird sorcerer who no one knows who hides in Mustafar

Eh? He did a bunch of stuff. Obi-Wan just didn't keep up on current events.

 

[Yistaan]

Yes he did, they were just killed by Kylo.


Eh? He did a bunch of stuff. Obi-Wan just didn't keep up on current events.

Technically the comic book said they were all killed in an explosion that spontaneously happened when Ben looked at the Jedi Temple. And I'm not sure any of them were knighted but Shadow of the Sith may have retconned that.

Vader's stuff is all classified now, he's not a walking public symbol of the Empire. Even if you buy Kenobi not watching the holonet, Kanan and Ezra, who were very much eavesdropping on all Imperial communications, public and private, didn't recognize Vader either in Rebels.

 

[The Wormhole]

https://twitter.com/daveblass/status/1645154249481895937?s=46&t=GJ4lIGndtLwuph_LJO2AJw

The series finale takes place April 12th 2401, and airs on April 12th.

Maybe that’s why they changed the date, if it wasn’t planned

If Frontier Day is supposed to be the anniversary of the NX-01's launch, shouldn't it be on April 16th, the date Broken Bow is set on according to dialogue?

They took this to a new extreme by basically turning Darth Vader from the widely feared No. 2 man in the galaxy before Disney to some weird sorcerer who no one knows who hides in Mustafar,

Vader was never "Number 2 man in the galaxy," not even in the Original Trilogy. Tarkin clearly outranks him in ANH.

 

[Yistaan]

If Frontier Day is supposed to be the anniversary of the NX-01's launch, shouldn't it be on April 16th, the date Broken Bow is set on according to dialogue?

Vader was never "Number 2 man in the galaxy," not even in the Original Trilogy. Tarkin clearly outranks him in ANH.

Tarkin commands the Death Star, not unlike how Commodore La Forge defers to Shaw while on the Titan

 

[Christopher]

Tarkin commands the Death Star, not unlike how Commodore La Forge defers to Shaw while on the Titan

No, he was addressed as Governor Tarkin. He was clearly meant to be the administrator of a sizeable subdivision of the Empire, with Vader as his enforcer. It wasn't until The Empire Strikes Back that Vader was retconned into being the Emperor's right-hand man instead of Tarkin's.

 

[Tuskin38]

If Frontier Day is supposed to be the anniversary of the NX-01's launch, shouldn't it be on April 16th, the date Broken Bow is set on according to dialogue?

The only date given was later in the episode when they start chasing the Suliban. It’s possible 4 days had passed between the ship launch and when that log was recorded.

 

[Tosk]

Vader was never "Number 2 man in the galaxy," not even in the Original Trilogy. Tarkin clearly outranks him in ANH.

Plus, Luke hadn't even heard of him before. Cue "He lived in the butthole of the galaxy!" excuses.

The only date given was later in the episode when they start chasing the Suliban. It’s possible 4 days had passed between the ship launch and when that log was recorded.

I'm assuming someone "did the math" by using the line "Four days there, four days back" as well as the captain's log. Only problem is, "four days there" is the trip to Kronos. Which they are not at when he makes the log...and it's also after they spend ten hours tracking Suliban. Close enough though, I reckon.

 

[Tuskin38]

I’d honestly forgotten about the 4 days to Qo’noS line because it was so stupid lol

 

[Yistaan]

Plus, Luke hadn't even heard of him before. Cue "He lived in the butthole of the galaxy!" excuses.

I'm assuming someone "did the math" by using the line "Four days there, four days back" as well as the captain's log. Only problem is, "four days there" is the trip to Kronos. Which they are not at when he makes the log...and it's also after they spend ten hours tracking Suliban. Close enough though, I reckon.

That's never been confirmed and I believe Legends ran with everyone, including Luke, knowing who Vader was before ANH. Obviously canon is different.

 

[Tosk]

That's never been confirmed

"A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to ee-ville..."
Cut to Luke's dumb face just listening. If he knew who "The #2 guy in the galaxy" was, you'd expect some kind of reaction.
"Wait, you trained the Darth Vader?!"

I’d honestly forgotten about the 4 days to Qo’noS line because it was so stupid lol

That's nothing. Khan got there in 8 seconds.

 

[Tomalak]

Vader was just a heavy in an intimidating suit. Even the other imperials treated him with open derision in Star Wars, suggesting he isn't notorious by any means.

He's the most important villain in the next two films only because he's given the job of capturing our protagonist. The rest of the Empire might be "Darth Who?"

 

[Yistaan]

"A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to ee-ville..."
Cut to Luke's dumb face just listening. If he knew who "The #2 guy in the galaxy" was, you'd expect some kind of reaction.
"Wait, you trained the Darth Vader?!"

That's nothing. Khan got there in 8 seconds.

If you're going to go by that, keep in mind that no one tells Luke "Oh hey that's Darth Vader" at any point in the original trilogy. Implication being he already knew. Never questioned who he saw Ben fighting and who killed him later on either.

Artoo has some pretty dumb reactions too in ESB in front of Yoda, but it's clear he knew who it was all along.

 

[Christopher]

If you're going to go by that, keep in mind that no one tells Luke "Oh hey that's Darth Vader" at any point in the original trilogy. Implication being he already knew.

We didn't see every second of his life. Just because he wasn't told onscreen doesn't mean he didn't find out between scenes, from Leia, perhaps.

Artoo has some pretty dumb reactions too in ESB in front of Yoda, but it's clear he knew who it was all along.

Not when the movie was made -- only when the prequels retconned a lot of the history and created improbable connections like Anakin being C-3PO's builder and having R2-D2 as his personal astromech. (Which makes Threepio Luke and Leia's brother, if you think about it.)

 

[Tosk]

If you're going to go by that, keep in mind that no one tells Luke "Oh hey that's Darth Vader" at any point in the original trilogy. Implication being he already knew. Never questioned who he saw Ben fighting and who killed him later on either.

From Luke's perspective, the dude in the plastic suit could just be some Imperial dickhead with a laser sword. And then there's three years between films for him to learn who it actually was.

 

[Yistaan]

From Luke's perspective, the dude in the plastic suit could just be some Imperial dickhead with a laser sword. And then there's three years between films for him to learn who it actually was.

If you want to go there, the more glaring issue is that Artoo shows no reaction, in either Legends or Canon, onscreen about Kenobi's blatant lie despite there being no indication Artoo coordinated with Obi-Wan to make up a cover story for Anakin's defection (and in canon's case, Obi-Wan didn't even initially think that Anakin survived Mustafar).

 

[Paul Weaver]

The series finale takes place April 12th 2401,

440th anniversary of Gagarin's flight. 420th of the Shuttle.

Alas Musk seems to prefer weed jokes to aiming for April 12th for Starship.

 

[fireproof78]

No, he was addressed as Governor Tarkin. He was clearly meant to be the administrator of a sizeable subdivision of the Empire, with Vader as his enforcer. It wasn't until The Empire Strikes Back that Vader was retconned into being the Emperor's right-hand man instead of Tarkin's.

Interestingly enough, and something I just learned about, is that there is a deleted scene from A New Hope that mentions Vader being a Sith Lord sent by the Emperor. Obviously not conveyed in the film, but it seems Vader as just Tarkin's enforcer was not the original intention:

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