What story elements would you remove or just forget exist from canon?
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Well in that case, I hope that I did not just start a TrekBBS version of one!
Let's see...
Ill-conceived? Definitely not. Love the idea.
Bogging down a show? Unless you are a producer for one of the shows, I sincerely doubt it.
Goes nowhere? Too early to tell, but given you've already got responses, I lean toward no.
So, you are safe, Timofnine.
Honestly, if it were up to me, Star Trek: Discovery would initially have been set in the early 25th Century. You can tell the same basic story of S1 without the 2250s setting -- Michael's parents could have been killed during the 2372-2373 Klingon-Federation War from DS9 S4-5, and T'Kuvma could be a Klingon fascist who seizes control and sunders the alliance. It would have avoided the continuity question of why Voyager was trapped in the Delta Quadrant when the Discovery could more or less teleport itself across the galaxy a hundred fifteen years earlier. I also personally think that the Sarek and Spock of DIS feel like very different characters from the Sarek and Spock of TOS, even though I did like the writing -- just letting them be different Vulcan characters with different names would solve that problem for me.
In fairness, had they done this we wouldn't have gotten Anson Mount's amazing performance as Christopher Pike and we wouldn't have SNW. *shrugs*
In fairness, had they done this we wouldn't have gotten Anson Mount's amazing performance as Christopher Pike and we wouldn't have SNW. *shrugs*
You bitch.
Excuse me?
You are excused, sorry.
What!!!????
At the risk of being accused of "whiteknighting," I have to respond here. Tim, that is a very juvenile response. What you said to Digits is way out of line. You need to apologize right now. Last I checked, you were an adult, and this sort of thing doesn't fly out here.
Back to our regularly scheduled programming, folks.
Sci, I agree on Anson Mount... and FYI, he and Bruce Greenwood also have been the voices of Batman!!
Personally, I really like the Section 31, because frankly, a utopian society following Rodenberry ethos would not have been able to exist. His ideas are idealistic to the point of suicidal stupidity.
If you want to survive, you need to be able and willing to get your hands dirty from time to time. And for this reason, I consider DS9 a high point of the TNG-era Star Trek (and my favorite series alongside TOS).
So what I would remove? A lot of the early TNG and its idealism. Sure, it is nice to dream - but if you are going to have dreamers, show the cost these dreams will have.
@1001001 I am sorry, I did not think before I posted and then I fell to sleep. I woke up this morning and regretted what I had written which I admit *was* very juvenile. I was trying to be funny and should have put a 
to clarify, or not said anything at all. My language was completely inappropriate and offensive, and I regret that I did not exercise better judgment in that moment, it was never my intention to be disrespectful.
I apologise to the forum mods also, as well as to the rest of the board who have to read this.
I am very passionate when it comes to the subject of the destruction of Romulus with it’s far reaching galactic implications, and I wrongly felt that @1001001 was trying to whitewash my thread at the time by burying it within another, but I can now clearly see that I had duplicated threads. If I could ask Q to undo this, I would.
to clarify, or not said anything at all. My language was completely inappropriate and offensive, and I regret that I did not exercise better judgment in that moment, it was never my intention to be disrespectful.I apologise to the forum mods also, as well as to the rest of the board who have to read this.
I am very passionate when it comes to the subject of the destruction of Romulus with it’s far reaching galactic implications, and I wrongly felt that @1001001 was trying to whitewash my thread at the time by burying it within another, but I can now clearly see that I had duplicated threads. If I could ask Q to undo this, I would.
Let's be real for a moment, even without Disco showing a hunky-dory Federation right up until the moment of the Burn, you'd know while watching a 24th century or 25th century show that everything would turn out okay since we're not going to get a series where the Federation loses whatever war it's fighting or Earth gets destroyed or whatever.
But even putting that aside, Voyager and Enterprise already showed us the Federation is still up and running in the 29th and 31st centuries.
Section 31.
While I understand the reasons so many people hate Section 31, I have to disagree. Having that ugly thorn in the Federation mostly-utopia is a compelling story-generator and source of moral conflict, and that’s why the franchise keeps coming back to it.
(That said, I do hope it’s gone by the 32nd century; it’s already weird enough how many specifics have managed to last a thousand years, down to individual starship-class names.)
Exactly, for a super secret organisation that operates in the shadows everyone and their dog seems to know about them.
Another story element I'd lose would be the predominantly human crews and get lots of aliens in there for diversity and to tell some truly different and unique stories.
I wish they'd done the brave thing and kept Tuvix. Tuvok is okay but Neelix gives me the creeps. So I'd also definitely eliminate any hint of romance between Neelix and Kes.
The Borg queen started the decline of the Borg as the most scary Trek villain race ever, but Seven of Nine completed that development. I know I'm in a tiny minority, but IMO bringing her aboard was a mistake. I prefer Kes as a character. I realize there were real-life reasons to fire Jennifer Lien, but she could've left without being replaced by anyone else. They should also have promoted Kim to lieutenant at some point during the show, he saved everyone's butts often enough to deserve a field promotion.
The trope of the evil computer ruling a fairly primitive world until the Enterprise crew shut it down was overused in TOS. I'd keep A Taste of Armageddon and The Return of the Archons and dump the rest.
Kira and Odo's romance should've started in season 5 or 6 to give it some more time to develop as a background story. The ending was necessary, because Odo joining the Great Link was essential to end the Founders as a threat to solids forever, but I just wish they could've had some more time together. TBH the whole latter half of the 7th season feels very rushed compared to the rest of the show.
All of These Are the Voyages...
The Borg queen started the decline of the Borg as the most scary Trek villain race ever, but Seven of Nine completed that development. I know I'm in a tiny minority, but IMO bringing her aboard was a mistake. I prefer Kes as a character. I realize there were real-life reasons to fire Jennifer Lien, but she could've left without being replaced by anyone else. They should also have promoted Kim to lieutenant at some point during the show, he saved everyone's butts often enough to deserve a field promotion.
The trope of the evil computer ruling a fairly primitive world until the Enterprise crew shut it down was overused in TOS. I'd keep A Taste of Armageddon and The Return of the Archons and dump the rest.
Kira and Odo's romance should've started in season 5 or 6 to give it some more time to develop as a background story. The ending was necessary, because Odo joining the Great Link was essential to end the Founders as a threat to solids forever, but I just wish they could've had some more time together. TBH the whole latter half of the 7th season feels very rushed compared to the rest of the show.
All of These Are the Voyages...
Yeah, that does seem to happen with fictional secret agencies. I still remember La Femme Nikita being about “the most covert anti-terrorist group on the planet,” and every single villain and NPC seemed to know about Section One.