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[Spike730]

What needs explaining is why NCC-21445 is active in 2365 and NCC-42037 is active in 2401. I suppose it's possible that NCC-42037 was renamed USS Excelsior after NCC-21445 was destroyed/decommissioned. That would also explain why its registry is higher than those of other Excelsior II vessels.

 

[Paul755]

The Saratoga one is weird to me because it was clearly done just to have Sisko’s old ship there.

love, love, love the design of the Pioneer.

I’d be curious to know if the Wersching was always there under a different name or if they threw it in after she passed.

 

[Spike730]

I'd have preferred the Bozeman instead.

 

[Dukhat]

What needs explaining is why NCC-21445 is active in 2365 and NCC-42037 is active in 2401. I suppose it's possible that NCC-42037 was renamed USS Excelsior after NCC-21445 was destroyed/decommissioned. That would also explain why its registry is higher than those of other Excelsior II vessels.

That’s assuming that the 42037 registry is chronological to the 2330-40 time period. Because chronologically, that’s when it should have been in service. But the design of the Excelsior II is clearly from the 2400’s, and it’s clearly not a refit of the older design (at least as far as we used to understand the term “refit.”) Why Drexler insisted that it have a 4XXXX registry is beyond me.

 

[Spike730]

is clearly from the 2400’s

USS Eureka by beammeupchief on DeviantArt
Honestly I don't see that at all. The only part that looks like the 2400s are the nacelles. Everything else looks almost exactly like a distorted/elongated 23rd century original Excelsior including the paint job.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Well for all we know the Excelsior NCC-21445 could have been a ship of an unknown class, like the Hokule’a.

Quite probably, but why would that invalidate it being the Excelsior II (or -A)?

 

[Dukhat]

The elliptical saucer is reminiscent of the Sovereign class. The Obena is the same way. It has an elliptical saucer and newer Sovereign nacelles, but the overall hull apes the Ent-B/Lakota Excelsior refit.

Quite probably, but why would that invalidate it being the Excelsior II (or -A)?

Because the Excelsior II is the class name, not the name of the ship. The ship’s name is just ‘Excelsior.’

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Isn't it both? A member of the 25th Century class referred to as the Excelsior appears on-screen in The Star Gazer . I assume it was actually the Excelsior II but the clarification wasn't needed as it was the only Excelsior in the scene (after all, this is the default for Enterprises from the -A onwards)

 

[Spike730]

Frankly, I'm not a fan of the Obena either. It's not very original, anachronistic (just like the Titan-A) and I don't see the need for the design. The lineage is Excelsior > Ambassador > Galaxy > Sovereign. There's no need for a sovereigny Excelsior-lookalike offshoot.

But at least the registry of the Archimedes is consistent with what it is supposed to be.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Isn't it both? A member of the 25th Century class referred to as the Excelsior appears on-screen in The Star Gazer . I assume it was actually the Excelsior II but the clarification wasn't needed as it was the only Excelsior in the scene (after all, this is the default for Enterprises from the -A onwards)

The ship that appeared in Picard is just called the USS Excelsior and has no letters after its number. In fact basically nothing has letters after its numbers except for Enterprises, the Titan and maybe a couple of Voyagers.

 

[Dukhat]

Frankly, I'm not a fan of the Obena either. It's not very original, anachronistic (just like the Titan-A) and I don't see the need for the design. The lineage is Excelsior > Ambassador > Galaxy > Sovereign. There's no need for a sovereigny Excelsior-lookalike offshoot.

But at least the registry of the Archimedes is consistent with what it is supposed to be.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m no fan of anachronistic ship designs either, or reuses of names for ships, classes, etc. I personally think it’s stupid and unoriginal.

 

[DaveyNY]

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Google is OK with this, but they object to the Kirk Rock.

Go figure.

 

[DaveyNY]

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[ExtremeSail]

So many goodies here! Love seeing the Pioneer, that's a good little ship right there. Has the Excelsior class been scaled up a little or has it always been 511.25 m long? I remember 467 m being thrown around but I always thought the class should be bigger.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

Thomas has a few more shots of his updated Pioneer here: https://twitter.com/thomasthecat/status/1640260907329794049

 

[Paul755]

I'd have preferred the Bozeman instead.

woulda made more sense.

 

[HotRod]

So many goodies here! Love seeing the Pioneer, that's a good little ship right there. Has the Excelsior class been scaled up a little or has it always been 511.25 m long? I remember 467 m being thrown around but I always thought the class should be bigger.

I think they pulled that number from the DS9 Tech Manual. It's a much better scaling then the 467m length that is often thrown around.

 

[Skywalker]

I really dislike that they snuck the NX-01 refit idea into this. It looks awful, plus I prefer to think that they decided to add secondary hulls in later designs that featured much larger warp cores than Enterprise's.

 

[Soong-type Android]

The Saratoga one is weird to me because it was clearly done just to have Sisko’s old ship there.

Wasn't it destroyed?

 

[Tuskin38]

I really dislike that they snuck the NX-01 refit idea into this. It looks awful, plus I prefer to think that they decided to add secondary hulls in later designs that featured much larger warp cores than Enterprise's.

The refit does have a bigger warp core. IIRC Doug said it was a warp 7 engine.
Doug Drexler designed the refit and worked on this show, they did it for him.

Also the refit first showed up in Season 2.