First of all, I would never lie to someone about food I made. That's just Not Cool.
Second, I'm vegetarian for ethical reasons, not because I don't like the taste, so "mock meat" is a staple of my personal eating.
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Second, I'm vegetarian for ethical reasons, not because I don't like the taste, so "mock meat" is a staple of my personal eating.
So in your case, it's mainly for a visual appeal?
I eat meat but often make vegetarian food, vegetable curry is one of my faves but we don't try and emulate meat in it, just nice veggies, potato mushrooms cauliflower carrot and the most important, Brussels, love them in a curry.
Brussel sprouts... (shudders)
I feel like miniature pod people are going to pop out at any moment when I see brussel sprouts.
I feel like miniature pod people are going to pop out at any moment when I see brussel sprouts.
they are a marmite food, but I love them, I'd even go as far as saying they rank 1st in importance on a Christmas dinner above turkey
Meh. I take any superiority feelings with much salt because, well, there is nothing about another person's eating habits that makes them superior to me. Food is about taste and complying with one's values, not a lesson in philosophical superiority.
However, if a vegan or vegetarian offers to cook meat I will politely decline. I prefer to cook it myself.
Brussel sprouts are vile, disgusting things and the mere smell of them is enough to drive me away.
If I had a choice between real meat and the fake stuff, I'd choose meat, but some of the fakes can be good.
Last year on one of my trips, they fed us Impossible Meatballs on the plane and they were really good. If I didn't know, I wouldn't have even noticed it wasn't real meat.
Last year on one of my trips, they fed us Impossible Meatballs on the plane and they were really good. If I didn't know, I wouldn't have even noticed it wasn't real meat.
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No, it's for taste and protein. I'm also not much of a cook, so it's for convenience too. I just gave up eating meat 20+ years ago and never looked back.
Well, everyone's got different tastes. Cool that it works for you. I suppose convenience is a factor, because some of the vegan products at Whole Foods seemed like they were simple to make. (Though I do know how to cook well, so maybe it seemed simple by comparison.) But there are a lot of easy, simple ways to cook various meats, especially in this era with air fryers and such.
I love meat too much to ever give it up, but seafood... if it weren't so expensive, I'd eat fish every day.
Everyone needs to slow the fuck down! 
I get busted for 5 over but people fly by and not a patrol car in sight.
I get busted for 5 over but people fly by and not a patrol car in sight.
OK, even as a vegan, I'd say that out right lying to someone about whether or not what you're giving them is vegan is pretty shitty. In that situation, I'd simply not say anything at all.
As for eating the plant based meat, I still like meat, I just ethically can't support the cruelty, torture, and murder of other intelligent, emotional, beings. For me, what made me change was when I started following the animal sanctuaries, and started seeing what cows, pigs, chickens, sheep, ect. are really like. One day I was walking through the grocery store and I started thinking about a video I had just watched of a cow running, and playing with the guy who runs the sanctuary where she lives, and after that I just couldn't eat meat any more.
I will confess that even though I'm vegan, I am still OK with people riding horses, as long as it's done in a kind cooperative way, and not the old school, beat the horse into submission methods that some people go for.
Personally, I've actually been shocked how much a lot of the plant based meats I've been eating actually do taste like the real thing. One of the best companies is Gardein, pretty much everything from them I've eaten is almost indistinguishable from the real thing. There is a lot stuff I've tried that doesn't taste exactly like the real thing that I've still enjoyed, and even if it's not as good as the real thing, I'm OK with that, as long as I'm not responsible for the deaths of animals.
I ran into a situation that I absolutely cannot stand this weekend, when people blatantly lie in way that is easy to prove false, just to push an agenda. We went to a guided hike at one of the parks in town where there are some wild donkeys, and the park rangers giving the hike were supposed to be talking about the donkeys, but the whole thing ended being nothing but Bureau of Land Management propganda. They started talking about how great it is that they're rounding up the mustangs and donkeys in other parts of the country, and spouting all of the same lies the BLM uses to justify this, even though people have proven repeatedly that none of it is true. But the one really got to us, and was finally lead us to walk away, was when they said that horses graze by pulling up the grass, and cattle bite it off, when it's actually the other way around.
Now, I can see playing with things so that it looks the way you want it to, but to just out right lie about something so simple, and easy to prove wrong just pisses me off
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The only way anyone is ever responsible for the death of an animal is if they, personally, killed it.
I mean, by the time it gets to my table, it's already dead. I had no part in its death. If I don't eat it, it died for nothing!
srsly, I'm not trying to meat-shame people. If you don't want to eat meat, obviously you don't have to. But to claim that you're somehow responsible for any of this is, IMHO, misguided.
I'm not trying to shame anyone for eating meat, I was just talking about why I personally chose to stop.
And while I am not personally killing the animal, I am still choosing to be a part of the process by buying and eating it's meat.
If you pay someone to kill another person, even if you don't pull the trigger yourself, you're still responsible.
Another reason that I went vegan that I forgot to mention in my other post, is the absolutely horrendous way our meat animals treated, before being brutally killed. And the fact that they are killed so young, pigs for example are killed at only 6 months, when they can actually live for almost 20 years. I might not be quite as bothered by it all if the animals were at least given long, happy, healthy lives, before getting a quick, painless death, I wouldn't be as bothered, but in fact it's the complete opposite.
And now, pretty much anything that is made with animal products, can now be found in vegan/plant based version.
And while I am not personally killing the animal, I am still choosing to be a part of the process by buying and eating it's meat.
If you pay someone to kill another person, even if you don't pull the trigger yourself, you're still responsible.
Another reason that I went vegan that I forgot to mention in my other post, is the absolutely horrendous way our meat animals treated, before being brutally killed. And the fact that they are killed so young, pigs for example are killed at only 6 months, when they can actually live for almost 20 years. I might not be quite as bothered by it all if the animals were at least given long, happy, healthy lives, before getting a quick, painless death, I wouldn't be as bothered, but in fact it's the complete opposite.
And now, pretty much anything that is made with animal products, can now be found in vegan/plant based version.
I agree the way they're treated is bad and we should have free range meat. But the fact is you can buy free range meat if you want, you just have to pay more.
But this is some pretty selective outrage, acting like it's just obvious that the life of a non-sapient creature is the same as the life of a sapient creature. When most of them aren't even capable of imagining that killing another creature could be morally wrong.
A Jain might say the same things about you eating plants. You're killing living organisms to eat them, they're just lower life forms than animals. The only difference between you and meat eaters is where you draw the line.
Yes, and while I still won't eat meat, I would hope that as many people as possible would at least go for the (slightly) more ethical options like that.
So just because an cow, or a pig can't imagine it's morally wrong to kill another creature, that makes it OK to kill them?
And anyways, a life is a life.
Yes, you do and for me that line is something that is thinks and feels, and has emptions.
I'll confess there have been some things that have come out about plants lately that have given me pause, but god damn it, I need to fucking eat SOMETHING without feeling guilty.
But the more people who go vegan, the less animals that have to die.
But you are still paying the people who are responsible for the animal being killed, and by eating it's meat you are supporting from it's abuse and death.I'm not paying someone to kill an animal. I'm paying them to deliver me a double cheeseburger. Anything beyond that, is not my problem.
Just work with local farmers. Support the local economy.
On topic, I'm so sick of hospitals. Understaffed and incompetent staff. My wife's grandmother had a cardiac episode and they unhooked her to use the restroom and didn't bother hooking her back up to track a cardiac patient...the fuck?
Animals kill each other for food all the time. So why is it so much more wrong for humans to kill them?
It's not, of course. It's simply part of the food chain. Every living being on Earth, up to and including humanity, preys on those below them. It's the way it works. It's the way it will ALWAYS work. It's just the order of things.
While I have never liked meat even as a child, I do like the flavor of other animal products, but hate the fact that it's days, sometimes weeks old, dead flesh with the gnarly bits of gristle, etc. lodged within. Or, in the case of milk, a mucus secretion from another animal. The fake meat products are, on occasion, a suitable replacement. I rarely eat them though as I prefer, whole/unprocessed foods. They are also expensive. Vegetables are my favorite, along with certain grains and legumes. That's really all I need...