Does the current state of Star Trek say anything about what fans want?

[valkyrie013]

I've come to accept the Kurtzman era as a "Soft" reboot of the prime timeline, as in visually. They have a few extra bucks and are willing to spend them to make the show look good. Could they do the cramped carpeted hotel look? sure. Could they do the bright blinky Tos, Sure. But they did this. I may not agree with all the changes, but it doesn't detract from my enjoyment (usually, there are some moments I go WTF at some visual element)
They say its Prime, so be it. I can yell at the moon all i want.

 

[Greg Cox]

And, honestly, if we starting assuming that any serious changes in art direction means that we're throwing the entire continuity out with the bathwater . . . well, that way madness lies, IMO.

The castle and laboratory in SON OF FRANKENSTEIN (1939) look nothing like the castle and laboratory in the previous two Karloff movies, but never in my life have I ever seen anyone assert that SON is not a direct sequel to BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN (1935) or that Karloff is not playing the same Monster we saw created in the original 1931 FRANKENSTEIN.

And we know this because, well, the movie tells us so.

So, yeah, even though SON takes kinda a laisez-faire approach to continuity, and not just with regards to the geography, the audience understands that, yes, this is another sequel to FRANKENSTEIN, picking up after the events of BRIDE.

Just as the new Trek series have told us explicitly that, yes, this is same universe where Pike first met Vina on Talos VI, even if, yeah, the sets and costumes and SFX have gotten a new coat of paint.

Bottom line: Star Trek is theater, not non-fiction. Achieving the right dramatic effect is sometime more important than perfectly mimicking the specific details and minutiae of the previous productions.

 

[fireproof78]

Just as the new Trek series have told us explicitly that this is same universe where Pike first met Vina on Talos VI, even if, yeah, the sets and costumes and SFX have gotten a new coat of paint.

You're saying Talos IV isn't real? That was just painted?

And, honestly, if we starting assuming that any serious changes in art direction means that we're talking a whole new continuity . . . well, that way madness lies, IMO.

To be fair, I think we crossed that line several decades ago.

 

[Dukhat]

Here's the thing: There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying you personally interpret a work as having X element not explicitly present in the text. But to actively say, "The text does X" when it doesn't explicitly do X, is just dishonest. Star Trek: Discovery is set in the Prime Universe. That is an objective fact. It is fine to say, "I personally don't interpret Star Trek: Discovery as being set in the Prime Universe." It is dishonest to say, "Star Trek: Discovery is not set in the Prime Universe." It is set in the Prime Universe, you just don't like it.

Maybe you’re not hearing me. I’m not interested in your opinion of what I think about the show, or what words I use to describe it. It’s not my problem. So drop it.

 

[BillJ]

And, honestly, if we starting assuming that any serious changes in art direction means that we're throwing the entire continuity out with the bathwater . . . well, that way madness lies, IMO.

See, this just isn't where I'm coming from. Screw the differences in looks, we are just different people now than we were in 1966. Our culture is distinctly different than it was then. Could you imagine this version of Uhura being frightened now? Or people referring to women as 'girls'? Not to mention that technologically TOS was way off base on things like computers, with bread boxes with blinky lights being used and DNA not even being used in any real way back then.

The original Star Trek is a relic of a different time, really a different people than who we are today and what is being made today fits no better with it than the JJ Abrams films. I love TOS, it is my favorite TV series ever, but I can let it go and allow modern Trek to be its own thing and blaze its own trail.

YMMV.

 

[fireproof78]

Our culture is distinctly different than it was then. Could you imagine this version of Uhura being frightened now?

Yes.

Or people referring to women as 'girls'?

Yes.

Not to mention that technologically TOS was way off base on things like computers, with bread boxes with blinky lights being used and DNA not even being used in any real way back then.

True.

but I can let it go and allow modern Trek to be its own thing and blaze its own trail.

Right now, I think you are in the minority who cannot let go of the past. Or at least not the more vocal part of the base.

 

[Sci]

Maybe you’re not hearing me. I’m not interested in your opinion of what I think about the show, or what words I use to describe it. It’s not my problem. So drop it.

Nope.

 

[Dukhat]

Nope.

Not sure what your problem is, but I’m certainly done talking to you about it.

 

[BillJ]

Or someone referring to a black woman as a "charming negress"?

 

[fireproof78]

Or someone referring to a black woman as a "charming negress"?

Dude was Lincoln. A man out of time. He apologizes and Uhura has a great rejoinder.

Yes, I can see that too.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Or someone referring to a black woman as a "charming negress"?

Fakerham Lincoln was a product of his time or Kirk’s memories or something.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I find the whole [insert Star Trek here] isn’t in the same universe because the ships, actors, costumes or props look different is kind of silly. Maybe it’s just because I grew up in an era where video games went from blocky cartoons to almost photo realistic worlds, I just see it as minor details. The Mario from the NES games is the same Mario from the version for the Switch, only the graphics have changed. The Enterprise from TOS is the exact same ship as the one on SNW. One was just designed to look good in an era where having color was cutting edge and the other was designed to look good in an era where 4K and beyond is cutting edge.

 

[1001001]

Maybe you’re not hearing me. I’m not interested in your opinion of what I think about the show, or what words I use to describe it. It’s not my problem. So drop it.

If you post something here, people are free to respond. That’s how it works.

 

[Dukhat]

If you post something here, people are free to respond. That’s how it works.

Yeah, I get that. And I made it clear that I was done with the conversation.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Yeah, I get that. And I made it clear that I was done with the conversation.

Yet here you are.

 

[Dukhat]

Yet here you are.

Alrighty then, I’m officially done talking about this. Is that good enough?

 

[Sci]

Yeah, I get that. And I made it clear that I was done with the conversation.

If you were done with the conversation, you would stop replying.

 

[fireproof78]

I find the whole [insert Star Trek here] isn’t in the same universe because the ships, actors, costumes or props look different is kind of silly. Maybe it’s just because I grew up in an era where video games went from blocky cartoons to almost photo realistic worlds, I just see it as minor details. The Mario from the NES games is the same Mario from the version for the Switch, only the graphics have changed. The Enterprise from TOS is the exact same ship as the one on SNW. One was just designed to look good in an era where having color was cutting edge and the other was designed to look good in an era where 4K and beyond is cutting edge.

Indeed. Greg Cox notes well that this is a theatrical presentation. Treating it as literal history is quite difficult to parse when one accounts for the fact that this is a stage presentation on film. Certain limits and concessions will be made.

 

[Dukhat]

If you were done with the conversation, you would stop replying.

WTF is your problem?

 

[Vger23]

Indeed. Greg Cox notes well that this is a theatrical presentation. Treating it as literal history is quite difficult to parse when one accounts for the fact that this is a stage presentation on film. Certain limits and concessions will be made.

I've always said that I think people who really "grew up" with the TNG era Star Trek struggle with changes to continuity or production the most.

I grew up seeing TOS first, and then watching all the changes that TMP brought about, and then more changes in TWOK, and then more changes with TNG. For me, the changes and inconsistencies are not only "normal" they are an expected part of the Trek experience.