Picard season three is the king of 'bottle' shows.

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Tosk, Mar 18, 2023.

  1. Caeruleus

    Caeruleus Commander Red Shirt

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    Is there somewhere on the net that photo of Geordi from Ent-D bridge?
     
  2. Tuskin38

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    dude spoiler tag
     
  3. Noname Given

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    IDK - with their AR Wall tech, I doubt a TNG 1701-D Bridge recreation would blow the budget. I think most of the budget went to the TNG cast salaries (including Michelle Forbes and others we haven't seen yet) returning for this season.
     
  4. Christopher

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    The AR wall is used for Discovery and Strange New Worlds in Toronto. Picard is filmed in Los Angeles. I'm not sure if there are any extant AR wall facilities there yet.

    Also, an AR wall wouldn't work for this. Anything up close around the actors, anything they interact with directly, still has to be physically built, with the AR wall just extending the background. So the bulk of the set would still have to be rebuilt, everything except the walls. In which case it's probably easier just to rebuild the whole thing.
     
  5. ichab

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    I never even thought about this until you mentioned it. I'm sure at some point they'll make it back to safety...wherever that is and we'll see a different location. I was going to type Starleet but then I remembered the last episode. ;)
     
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  6. Ronin'sCreamyCandle

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    Bottle shows often showcase fantastic acting, I like them.
     
  7. Christopher

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    Oh, deflinitely. But they work better as single episodes than an entire season.
     
  8. Ronin'sCreamyCandle

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    I would agree, except that the holo bar is a unique aspect of humanity. Many people go to bars on the regular to cope with their lives, I like that they do it on Picard.
     
  9. Christopher

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    Fine, but please not in an episode that specifically calls attention to the desperate power shortage everywhere else in the ship. I don't care if the holodeck has an "isolated" power supply under normal circumstances -- in an emergency, it can't be that hard to open up the supply's maintenance panel and plug in a cable to the life support systems. It's isolated, but it's not in another dimension.

    And heck, Picard's "Ten Forward" bar was named in honor of the original Enterprise-D bar (and in story was retconned as the place the E-D bar was named after, even though that doesn't make sense, since it was named for its location on the ship). So logically the Titan should already have its own shipboard bar or lounge, which makes it redundant to use a holographic bar instead. It's just a really labored and contrived excuse to recycle the bar set from season 2, and that's the sort of thing that pulls you out of the story and calls attention to the money-saving tricks.
     
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  10. Tuskin38

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    Doesn’t pull me out
     
  11. fireproof78

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    Trek's done such tricks for decades.
     
  12. Christopher

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    Yes, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Asserting a blanket generalization is meaningless as a response to a criticism of a specific failed example. If I say "That was a bad turkey sandwich," stating "There have been many turkey sandwiches" does not in any way address or redeem the poor quality of that specific one.
     
  13. fireproof78

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    I guess it doesn't work then.

    And now I no longer like turkey sandwiches...
     
  14. Sketcher

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    You can make the same argument against Vic Fontaine's lounge on DS9, or Sandrines/that tiki lounge on Voyager.
     
  15. Yistaan

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    Not only am I dismayed that this has become "normalized" in our current society, I'd like to think that by the 25th century humanity did away with any need for alcohol entirely (and I know this clashes with Gene's idea of the future as he had his ship's doctor serving alcohol as early as the Cage). Not everyone can take "moderate" alcohol in a healthy way, and misfits who have trouble fitting in innocently try to be "cool" and drink like "everyone else" get into trouble they otherwise would not have, and I think a large part of society that makes bars etc. seem cool is to blame.

    We already have so many things to get addicted to in our modern world (phones, internet, etc.) We can do away with something that really adds nothing other than altering how your brain functions and causes drunk driving deaths from the few who can't handle it properly and have no idea about blood alcohol level, etc.
     
  16. Christopher

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    No, because my argument is not against using the simulation at all, it's about the incredibly stupid plot device of keeping the holodeck running while every other system on the ship is so desperately short of power that the crew is literally about to die. It would make enormously more sense to shut down the damn holodeck, unplug its dedicated power supply, and plug it into the life support system. Any bar/lounge requirements in that situation can be served by the ship's own bar/lounge.
     
  17. Tuskin38

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    Except according to lore, the power supply is incompatible to rest of the ship systems.

    Can't go contradicting canon now. ;)
     
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  18. fireproof78

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    They did.

    It was replaced by the holodeck.

    And this has been "normalized" for well over 50 years in American society.
    Indeed. It must be preserved ;)
     
  19. Christopher

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    Which is nonsense. If Starfleet engineers can figure out how to turn space-baby birth contractions into a power source, they can bloody well figure out how to use a holodeck power source of Starfleet design. And what kind of insane homicidal engineer would deliberately design a power source that's impossible to repurpose even when the crew's life is at stake?


    "Canon" is just stories. Stories can be critiqued for their bad ideas.
     
  20. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    Better still, why not have something as critical as life support run on a similarly isolated power supply in the first place?
     
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