The claim is being made this makes it a flop, financially. I've Google-Fu-d, and I can;t even find rankings.
Looking for data confirmation. PIcard S3 only ranks 46th on P+?
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Is this post a chart (kais) bait? 
???Is this post a chart (kais) bait?
Someone claimed on a live stream yesterday with co-producer Matt Okumura that at least for a time PICARD season 3 was the top watched on Amazon Prime in the UK.
Prior to being a writer, Okumura was an executive and shared that views in the first week/month of release where the most important data points, as well as rewatching.
The US Nielsen numbers take over a month to come out after initial release.
Prior to being a writer, Okumura was an executive and shared that views in the first week/month of release where the most important data points, as well as rewatching.
The US Nielsen numbers take over a month to come out after initial release.
Was a joke, because @Char Kais is apparently only active here to talk bad about "New Trek", making up charts to prove how unsuccessful the new shows are, according to him and nitpicking every small detail in bad faith, even while the same or similar "mistakes" happened during the Berman era.
Regardless if this claim is a hoax, the truth is that streaming numbers are down across all the main streaming providers. Rumors are even Mandalorian viewership is going down, and Willow was just canceled at Disney Plus despite being supported by Ron Howard himself. The next season of Loki has been delayed. Picard is ending and there seems to be no new live action Trek in the near future actively being produced other than Strange New Worlds. Witcher at Netflix probably won't last much longer with the backlash over the Cavill drama. I would not be surprised if Apple TV canceled Foundation considering it's probably an expensive show and I would not be surprised if viewership was even lower than Willow's, as the Asimov fanbase is probably even more niche than Willow's.
There was supposed to be a Starfleet Academy show presumably in the 32nd century, but Jonathan Frakes recently said "Don't hold your breath" on new 32nd century content so that may be dead in the water. As for Section 31, nothing has been announced and Michelle Yeoh may want to do other things after winning an Oscar. Even if both of these shows magically get traction, we're still years off from seeing them at best (keep in mind that Acolyte, Skeleton Crew and Ahsoka all already have casts announced and started filming over at that other Star franchise, and it will probably be a while until we see THOSE shows).
There was supposed to be a Starfleet Academy show presumably in the 32nd century, but Jonathan Frakes recently said "Don't hold your breath" on new 32nd century content so that may be dead in the water. As for Section 31, nothing has been announced and Michelle Yeoh may want to do other things after winning an Oscar. Even if both of these shows magically get traction, we're still years off from seeing them at best (keep in mind that Acolyte, Skeleton Crew and Ahsoka all already have casts announced and started filming over at that other Star franchise, and it will probably be a while until we see THOSE shows).
Paramount+ does not release it's internal streaming statistics data to anyone (not even Nielsen).
It's not the only streaming service that doesn't either.
Bottom line, everyone who is trying to claim they have the numbers to show X is just guessing, and believe it or not said guess is often based on data from Pirate streaming sites, and how popular it is for people who are downloading or streaming it illegally.
It's not the only streaming service that doesn't either.
Bottom line, everyone who is trying to claim they have the numbers to show X is just guessing, and believe it or not said guess is often based on data from Pirate streaming sites, and how popular it is for people who are downloading or streaming it illegally.
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Ah. Somehow I haven't run into him yet. Lucky me! There is a whole cottage industry of "haters" infesting social media.
If what was said upthread about the first four weeks being the most important, I would think it would put even more pressure to perform on a show that had weaker previous seasons. It sounds like the "give a show a season to find its footing" is over...
It's almost like there's a limit to how much people have to spend on streaming services...who'da thunk it...?
Honestly, at this point, Picard has no pressure. It is not going to continue on, for obvious reasons, streaming business is contracting for obvious reasons, and Strange New Worlds is the current ongoing series for Paramount+. Season 3 has a free pass, and it's getting it with the nostialia and use of legacy characters.
Streaming is not like Network TV - where viewer timeslot ratings and popularity determine the rates Advertisers pay <--- Which is where the profit for the Networks and studios come primarily from during any series Network run. (BTW while the Networks make money during the Network run; the studio producing the series usually LOSES money during the Network run, but makes that back if/when a series goes into Syndication, DVD/Blu-Ray sales, etc.)
Streaming is a whole different beast in that the Studio behind a service has to pay for EVERTHING (including the infrastructure and bandwidth needed to serve the streaming content to subscribers.) It's cashflow for all this (including production of content), comes primarily via it's subscriber base; as well as whatever it's charging advertisers whose commercials appear for streaming services with a lower 'commercials included' tier that costs less. How they figure what rates they are charging said advertisers is anyone's guess, but I'm sure it's based on the percentage of subscribers at that base and the number of 'hours watched' per some unit of time (IE a week/per month); which is all data Paramount+ has down to the person/minute as they control their content distribution network.
So, in the end, Paramount (and I would believe most streamers) are trying to find a paradigm that maximizes subscriber retention. At the start they figured that if they want to keep a fervent Star Trek fan subscribed year round, they need something new and Star Trek related each week. (And yes they realize not every fan is going to like everything, but in their eyes, it was still a good strategy.)
I think what they are finding is that, no, that doesn't work across the board as once the fans know that everything is available 24/7 - many don't mind waiting until there is a 'critical mass' of certain content - subscribe for a month, binge watch it all; then unsub until the content they like reaches another critical mass.
So, given that - it's no longer profitable to produce 52 weeks of something Star Trek (or whatever show is involved); and they have to go with another approach where production costs vs. subscriber cashflow still allows them to pull out some profit for the studio and shareholders; and given all the variables involved (and there can always be an outlier on occasion that is popular enough and viewing and sub data show people are subbing mostly for a given show every week); it's not just as simple as hours watched because you also need to look at subscriber retention in relation to hours watched, etc.
But I think what most streamers are seeing is that no - constantly having something new in a given franchise every week (which at the level most are doing stuff is VERY expensive); is NOT translating into massive subscriber retention; so they're trying to find correlations in that data they have to get a general 'sweet spot' of just how much a given type of content is needed to maximize retention of the subscribers who want that content.
The other thing is: They have effectively LOST any sort of 'Syndication' type revenue as everything suits on their servers for any subscriber to watch at any time - and if they LOSE 'exclusivity' to anything, that in the end may cost them subscriptions. Now, there may come a time when they feel something no longer is driving subs so they can sell it via some type of syndication or to another streaming service; but that possibility is probably still years away.
Bottom Line: Every Streamer is finding a way to maximize profit. It's a model that was booming when it was new and they saw nothing but subscriber growth; but now subscriber retention is becoming their main issue; and they want to drop all the red from the ledgers they're seeing.
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Who is making this claim?
This happened late last year with Netflix's 1899. They had more than a 50% drop off, which got them axed fairly soon after the episodes dropped.
I have no idea, but you can't actually see rankings in any meaningful way - Picard is generally #1 when it releases a new episode from what I've seen on Amazon and Paramount+ (I use P+). The only publicly accessible data points are social media analytics which don't mean a whole hell of a lot.
That and 2 bucks will get you a bad cup of coffee.
Paramount+ doesn't release its numbers and rankings. So no one can confirm or deny this at all.
Unpossible! We've all seen the Canadian statistics proving that Star Trek is going down the counter-clockwise Canadian toilet in the Great White North.
Holy hell, the term "Great White North" is all kinds of hella wrong in today's woke world, isn't it?
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