Spoilers The Mandalorian Season 3

[David cgc]

Palpatine had infrastructure built out in the unknown regions as part of his contingency IIRC.

Yeah, I saw on Wookiepedia recently when checking to see if the fleet of inflated first-generation Imperial Star Destroyers had somehow become less stupid due to new lore that apparently they were already being built during the OT, and Vader once visited there.

 

[Set Harth]

Vader owned one of the objects you need to get there, so his having visited the place is no great leap.

 

[Nerys Myk]

If Thrawn was still alive, surely that meant Ezra was dead. How did they survive a decade together on the same lost ship without killing each other?

If Oscar and Felix can do it...

 

[Ithekro]

Perhaps that's part of the Empire's cloning project. To make a Dark Jedi version of Ezra (or worse, Kanan).

 

[Tuskin38]

If you compare Monument Plaza in Clone Wars to how it appeared in this episode, it's a lot bigger than in Clone Wars.

It's possible the Empire or New Republic made the plaza bigger after the Clone Wars. IRL reason is probably the bigger budget, or wanting a more grander looking plaza.

In point of fact, one of the High Republic novels makes mention that Monument Plaza predates the Sith occupation that followed the Fall of the Old Republic, and supposedly was barely touched during or since. It's a fair bet Coruscant as a whole hasn't changed all that much in that last four of five millennia, never mind the last few decades.

I thought I read somewhere that the plaza was old and was raised whenever the surrounding buildings got taller until all that was left was the peak, but I can't find that now. Maybe it was a fan theory.

 

[cooleddie74]

If Oscar and Felix can do it...

I just hope Ezra can cook proper linguini and not have Thrawn call it spaghetti.

 

[Reverend]

Yeah, I saw on Wookiepedia recently when checking to see if the fleet of inflated first-generation Imperial Star Destroyers had somehow become less stupid due to new lore that apparently they were already being built during the OT, and Vader once visited there.

Yeah, other media has been doing a looooot of heavy lifting to try and make tRoS seem at least vaguely plausible. They had to spend a whole novel explaining who Rey's parents were, why they didn't just go to Luke for protection, address that random bombshell about Lando's daughter they just dropped in the tie-in media like it was nothing AND untangle that whole poorly thought out plot Ochi of Bestoon. (And yet that thing with the dagger is still nonsense.)

Perhaps that's part of the Empire's cloning project. To make a Dark Jedi version of Ezra (or worse, Kanan).

There's no such thing as "Dark Jedi"; the term is an oxymoron and only slightly less asinine than "Grey Jedi".

That said; if they're building to a rough (and I mean *rough*) adaptation of the 'Heir to the Empire' trilogy, then it stands to reason that Ezra will be filling the Joruus C'baoth role. Probably not as a clone, but whether or not he's fallen to the dark side remains to be seen.

The idea that they would have successfully cloned a force wielder at this point seems directly at odds with the "only technically not an actual corpse" state the Palpatine clone was in, and the misshapen homunculi meat puppet that was Snoke.

 

[Ethros]

They had to spend a whole novel explaining who Rey's parents were, why they didn't just go to Luke for protection, address that random bombshell about Lando's daughter they just dropped in the tie-in media like it was nothing AND untangle that whole poorly thought out plot Ochi of Bestoon.

What novel is that out of interest?

 

[Set Harth]

https://books.google.com/books/abou...ml?id=jdxGEAAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I thought I read somewhere that the plaza was old and was raised whenever the surrounding buildings got taller until all that was left was the peak, but I can't find that now. Maybe it was a fan theory.

Light of the Jedi

“Lina Soh rested the palm of her hand on the rough surface of Umate, the tallest peak of the Manarai range. [...] Farther below, the mountain’s structure had been incorporated into the city, becoming a sort of hive of tunnels and passageways and chambers surfaced by durasteel and permacrete, barely distinguishable from other parts of the planet. But here, a bit of wildness remained.
[...]
The city-world’s planners could have removed the mountain at any point in its millennia of history, but generation after generation had not. They had repeatedly made the decision—the choice—to preserve this one place, this one thing. Many political systems had claimed Coruscant in its day, from brutal empires to the purest democracies, but all had chosen to keep Umate as it was, Monument Plaza climbing upward century by century as new levels were added to the city’s surface.”

 

[Tuskin38]

https://twitter.com/AbtahiOmid/status/1637928581472067586

 

[Reverend]

What novel is that out of interest?

'Shadow of the Sith'. There's also a wacky plot about some nutter running around with another possessed Sith mask, mostly to give Luke something to do because while he's in the book a lot, he really doesn't do all that much. He's basically Lando's sidekick, which would have been an interesting angle to take in a more interesting story.

 

[Set Harth]

There's no such thing as "Dark Jedi"; the term is an oxymoron and only slightly less asinine than "Grey Jedi".

Of course it doesn't mean Jedi in the sense of card-carrying member of the Jedi Order in good standing, it's a looser ( and admittedly inaccurate ) usage of the term Jedi to connote just Force adept of some kind. In this case one who is open to use of the dark side yet is not a Sith.

 

[Tuskin38]

There's no such thing as "Dark Jedi";

Yes there is. It refers to dark side force user that isn't a sith. Ventress was considered a Dark Jedi.

 

[UssGlenn]

(And yet that thing with the dagger is still nonsense.)

What have they said about the dagger? I just assume whoever made it had a force vision that revealed the exact shape needed for its use in the future.

 

[Reverend]

What have they said about the dagger? I just assume whoever made it had a force vision that revealed the exact shape needed for its use in the future.

Some weird cult gave it to him IIRC. But how he got it isn't the problem so much as how it works; that alignment is WAY too specific to be even remotely credible.

I mean just think about the logic of it: someone knows Palpatine's wayfinder was in his personal vault in the DSII's throne room. Knows that it survived both the explosion that destroyed the station AND planetfall, then not only left it there, but encoded the precise location of the tower amidst a vast, unstable heap of wreckage amidst a roiling sea, in such a way that it's usable only from one single unmarked spot of random coastland. And what, the thing never moved or shifted? Why even leave it there? If it's hidden, why encode the location on a dagger (however impractically) where any idiot can find it? And why leave it with an idiot like Ochi of Bestoon? That's not even me being hyperbolic; he's canonically a deluded moron.

It's just lazy McGuffin hunt silliness to make it seem like the characters are actually doing something other than running between meaningless action scenes until the finale happens. It's surface level thinking on the writer/director's part. A "wouldn't it look cool?" in the moment idea with no thought or followthrough that's fairly typical of JJ's work.

 

[JD]

There's no indication in the episode that Coruscant is the capital of the New Republic. Nor is there any mention of either Chandrila still being the capital, or if it has been moved to any other planet after the 5 or 6 years it's been since Endor.

I can't remember for sure, but I swear I read somewhere in the promo stuff for the Force Awakens that it moved every 8 years, so if that is the case, then that would mean it's still Chandrila during The Mandalorian.

 

[Reverend]

I can't remember for sure, but I swear I read somewhere in the promo stuff for the Force Awakens that it moved every 8 years, so if that is the case, then that would mean it's still Chandrila during The Mandalorian.

Sounds about right. Though don't take what gets mentioned in tie-in media as gospel. It's mostly written as fluff for merchandise, and later creatives can, have, and will contradict such things in narrative media if the story requires it (or if it just slips between the cracks.)

 

[Xerxes82]

While I absolutely agree that the Sith dagger in RoS is the epitome of silly MacGuffin-hood (Why does SW need a MacGuffin, JJ? The OT got by just fine by pushing our characters to locate other characters as an inciting incident and then letting the action happen.), the dagger's shape isn't actually THAT entirely far fetched. I still don't think that being able to potentially explain away the level of happenstance required to make it work justifies the laziness of it, and it certainly doesn't excuse any of the other logical leaps necessary for that branch of RoS's plot. But I think if you really wanted to you could explain it away.

Consider, Palpatine's whole thing is his nearly unrivaled foresight. More than any other power he possesses, it's that gift for making the future less "in motion" and more "going my way" that makes him a threat. Well, right up until he misses the big Anakin Skywalker shaped elephant in his throne room, but figure the Matrix rules are in effect and he can't see past a decision he doesn't understand. In that case, Luke's refusal to turn to the dark side. But, other than the big finish in RotJ and again in RoS, the Emperor is a man of almost uncanny ability to read the tea leaves.

I don't think it's an entirely ridiculous notion, given that Palpatine's example already exists, that the maker of the dagger simply saw a single moment accurately enough to create the precise shape required from that exact spot in that particular moment.

 

[thribs]

Well that’s certainly the closest you’ll get to Darth Jar Jar.
A pretty good episode but I wish we got some Hayden in the flashback. I’m always up seeing Vader killing Jedi.