I think when Mike retires, Amazon will offer Babs a lucrative 'prestige' post in trade for full creative control.
The James Bond Film Discussion Thread (With Bonus Lazenby!)
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They most definitely have already made that offer to both of them.
Ian Fleming's James Bond novels to be rewritten to avoid offense to modern audiences
https://deadline.com/2023/02/james-...avoid-offense-to-modern-audiences-1235271892/
https://deadline.com/2023/02/james-...avoid-offense-to-modern-audiences-1235271892/
Just...no.
So, each novel will now be two pages long?
I think people need to look a little deeper into this, the changes are not wide ranging and in many cases are the kind of changes Fleming himself agreed to when LALD was published in the US, toning down some of the racial language.
There's a detailed write up looking at both sides here.
I'm torn, on the whole I don't think authors should be rewritten for the modern age, but I also realise that in some cases this is unavoidable. Does anyone think Christie's 'And then there were none' should revert to its original title?
The worst thing here is that I agree with the theory postulated in the article, this has nothing to do with 'wokeness' and everything to do with cynical marketing, and I think that goes for both Fleming and Dahl.
There's a detailed write up looking at both sides here.
I'm torn, on the whole I don't think authors should be rewritten for the modern age, but I also realise that in some cases this is unavoidable. Does anyone think Christie's 'And then there were none' should revert to its original title?
The worst thing here is that I agree with the theory postulated in the article, this has nothing to do with 'wokeness' and everything to do with cynical marketing, and I think that goes for both Fleming and Dahl.
The claim in Ian Fleming Publications' statement in that article that Fleming "seems" to have preferred the edited US version of Live and Let Die is interesting, though a quote to that effect would be helpful and is not offered.
My "master" set of Fleming's Bond books are the Penguin trade paperback editions from 20 years ago with the beautiful Richie Fahey pulp-style covers (first three below). They include the original, unaltered text of all the books, including LaLD.
There original title was weaker than the replacement anyway.
They're great!The claim in Ian Fleming Publications' statement in that article that Fleming "seems" to have preferred the edited US version of Live and Let Die is interesting, though a quote to that effect would be helpful and is not offered.
My "master" set of Fleming's Bond books are the Penguin trade paperback editions from 20 years ago with the beautiful Richie Fahey pulp-style covers (first three below). They include the original, unaltered text of all the books, including LaLD.
The other problem with the new editions is that their covers are bland as fuck as well!
That was a common reaction to Bodyguard. But I wonder if his role in the forthcoming Citadel, in which he plays a spy, might mean that he’s a little overexposed in that genre for Eon’s liking? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9794044/
I don't know, I think these days most eligible blokes are likely to have played a spy or a cop or a detective or some other kind of action hero before getting the gig. Death Train didn't derail Brosnan's chances after all (I'll get my coat).
I wonder if Madden, and the likes of Aiden Turner etc are almost too old now given the kind of noises Eon have been making? Taylor-Johnson is four years younger than Madden and seven years younger than Turner. We could be looking at Bond #26 not coming out until 2025 at the earliest, which means Madden could be almost 40 and Turner 42ish. I mean this is fine and perfectly in line with Dalton/ Brosnan and Craig, but times have changed, sadly the film every 2 years model seems to be out of the window and now 3/4 years (if not more) seems likely and if we take Craig's retirement age of early fifties as an acceptable end point then you'll be lucky to get four films max out of someone like Madden or Turner.
Waits for someone to say "But what about Cruise?" And yes we might get lucky and we may get an actor who not only continues to look good well into his fifties but is also capable of the physical rigours of the role but how likely is that?
Talking of Turner I saw he and Jenna Coleman in Lemons, Lemons, Lemons, Lemons, Lemons on stage a few weeks ago and he was really good. I've tended to only see him in very serious roles but he was funny and I do think he'd make a great 007 in the mould of Dalton, but like I say, probably time is against him now.
Who knows though, despite them giving off the vibe of wanting someone who can be 007 for 15+ years and at least five films, maybe Eon would be ok with hiring someone who's only able to commit to a trilogy?
I wonder if Madden, and the likes of Aiden Turner etc are almost too old now given the kind of noises Eon have been making? Taylor-Johnson is four years younger than Madden and seven years younger than Turner. We could be looking at Bond #26 not coming out until 2025 at the earliest, which means Madden could be almost 40 and Turner 42ish. I mean this is fine and perfectly in line with Dalton/ Brosnan and Craig, but times have changed, sadly the film every 2 years model seems to be out of the window and now 3/4 years (if not more) seems likely and if we take Craig's retirement age of early fifties as an acceptable end point then you'll be lucky to get four films max out of someone like Madden or Turner.
Waits for someone to say "But what about Cruise?" And yes we might get lucky and we may get an actor who not only continues to look good well into his fifties but is also capable of the physical rigours of the role but how likely is that?
Talking of Turner I saw he and Jenna Coleman in Lemons, Lemons, Lemons, Lemons, Lemons on stage a few weeks ago and he was really good. I've tended to only see him in very serious roles but he was funny and I do think he'd make a great 007 in the mould of Dalton, but like I say, probably time is against him now.
Who knows though, despite them giving off the vibe of wanting someone who can be 007 for 15+ years and at least five films, maybe Eon would be ok with hiring someone who's only able to commit to a trilogy?
Disregarding the yellow card I should be handing you for the pun, I take your point about other roles. But there’s a difference between the sort of direct to video movies Pierce did back in the day and what is apparently the most expensive tv show ever, from the makers of the last two Avengers movie, certainly in terms of profile (and it might also tie Madden up for the foreseeable if it’s a hit).
It’s really hard to know on the age thing. I think you’re right on paper, but actors seem to be getting younger looking and able to pass for younger. It still blows my mind that Robert Pattinson in The Batman was more or less the same age that George Clooney was in Batman v Robin.
Back in the day a blonde, blue-eyed Bond was almost as bad as Mr. Mom playing Batma...
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I recently read an interview with Barbara B in which she said that she’d had her eye on him since his turn as an assassin in Elizabeth, the movie about Elizabeth I. Which doesn’t disprove your point, of course, but he’d been on her radar well before then.
Ironically, most Bond speculation circa 2003-2004 was on his Munich Co-star Eric Bana.
While there's definitely something to that — even though it's been almost 20 years since Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and 15 years since the first Twilight movie, Pattinson doesn't look a whole lot older now, even with the beard he has sometimes. Whereas Clooney was already starting to gray during his time on ER.
I mentioned this in the last Bond movie thread...Wilson and Broccoli have been creatively spent for a number of years, but their egos just won't let them relinquish the reigns to anyone else who would definitely rejuvenate the series. they tried aping the Bourne series, and that didn't help...
New blood is needed
And in a move that seems designed to annoy a lot of Bond fans, supposedly Daisy May Cooper is apparently being tapped to play M. (apologies for the Daily Heil link).
I really can't see DMC as M unless the idea is for M to suddenly be some kind of bumbling, over promoted fool, but I do think she is a good actress and in fact a great writer* so I wonder if there's a Phoebe Waller Bridge scripting element to this and that the press are on the right track but going down the wrong road? (*if you haven't seen 'Am I being Unreasonable' you should check it out)
I think it's also worth noting that she's an actress, which means she can, you know, act differently in different things. It also amuses me that so many on Twitter are up in arms over the potential hiring of a sitcom star to be M, neatly forgetting that come Goldeneye Judi Dench was perhaps most famous to most Brits for A Fine Romance and As Time Goes By.
Also it's funny to see all the usual suspects who've been banging on for ages that Bond needs to return to being light hearted appalled when the possibility of someone who can play light and funny being cast is mooted
I also think this is likely to be nothing but a BS nothing story anyway.
I really can't see DMC as M unless the idea is for M to suddenly be some kind of bumbling, over promoted fool, but I do think she is a good actress and in fact a great writer* so I wonder if there's a Phoebe Waller Bridge scripting element to this and that the press are on the right track but going down the wrong road? (*if you haven't seen 'Am I being Unreasonable' you should check it out)
I think it's also worth noting that she's an actress, which means she can, you know, act differently in different things. It also amuses me that so many on Twitter are up in arms over the potential hiring of a sitcom star to be M, neatly forgetting that come Goldeneye Judi Dench was perhaps most famous to most Brits for A Fine Romance and As Time Goes By.
Also it's funny to see all the usual suspects who've been banging on for ages that Bond needs to return to being light hearted appalled when the possibility of someone who can play light and funny being cast is mooted
I also think this is likely to be nothing but a BS nothing story anyway.
I've never actually heard of Daisy May Cooper, but after a Google search, my thoughts are, isn't she a bit young to be M?
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