Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x03 - "Seventeen Seconds"

[Lord Garth]

It's helpful for me to see this baldly articulated. They started from the premise that Picard having a biological son he didn't know about was the top priority and reverse engineered it.

Yeah. I love that we're hearing the unrefined version of this before he -- or anyone else -- gets a chance to embellish the process, smooth their account off, or just plain forget things.

As big of a TOS Movie fan as Terry is, I think he subliminally had Kirk and Carol Marcus in his head. There's no way that wasn't somehow in his subconscious, and he ends up having Kirk and Picard in a similar spot. Actually, a worse spot. Kirk knew about David and knew he was staying away. David actually "knew" Kirk at some point. "Remember that overgrown boy scout you used to hang around with?"

The thing I find a little excessive is that Picard and Crusher broke up five times. I think they could've made the same point with once or twice. I won't go into details because it's no one's business, but I've known some instances of constant on-again/off-again and it might very well have been five times or more... and that's not how I picture Picard and Crusher. Once, to finally try it, maybe after "All Good Things", then they break up. Then they try again later on down the line, sometime around Nemesis and then break up for good. Twice works without feeling like a retcon. But five? What the Hell is that?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Whatever Picard became, it seemed a little unprofessional of Riker to publicly remove him from the bridge in front of the young officers. He could have called him to the ready room and told him that and not in front of everyone. Humiliating.

But I believe that Terry Matalas has prepared some plot twist and that there is a solid reason for Riker's arrogant and cruel behavior. I think we'll find out what's going on soon.

Is it? On the most recent Quantum Leap, they did the same thing. The CO had the XO removed from the bridge after he tried to countermand orders. (The XO was right though) It’s a bit of trope in Military fiction.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, I get that two people with strong feelings for one another can try repeatedly to make a relationship work out but five times while serving together? That's a little excessive even from a soap opera perspective.

 

[Farscape One]

But in that case you have the matter of the container to react with the antimatter.

The torpedo itself is matter.

 

[fireproof78]

Is it? On the most recent Quantum Leap, they did the same thing. The CO had the XO removed from the bridge after he tried to countermand orders. (The XO was right though) It’s a bit of trope in Military fiction.

Crimson Tide. JAG. Hunt for Red October.

Just off the top of my head. No doubt there is a bunch more.

 

[Tuskin38]

Crimson Tide was an inspiration for their conflict.

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[Farscape One]

I'm forced to agree that calling a relationship off with the same person 5 times in a row is insane.

Picard and Crusher are both intelligent, mature adults. Well past the age when this might even be a thing... this is teenager behavior.

It kind of makes Picard look a bit foolish, as well. He had more sense when calling it off with Lt. Cmdr. Darren in "Lessons".

 

[137th Gebirg]

Except there is precedence in the franchise for a container of antimatter being detonated having a huge blast radius.

In TOS' "OBSESSION", Kirk detonated an ounce of antimatter with a bomb attached to the container to kill the cloud vampire. That explosion was massive.

It was mentioned again towards the end of TMP as a fail-safe in case they couldn't stop V'Ger.

ROSS: Why has the Captain ordered self-destruct, sir?
SCOTT: I would say, lass, because he thinks, he hopes, that when we go up ...we'll take the intruder with us.
ROSS: Will we?
SCOTT: When that much matter and anti-matter are brought together, oh yes, we will, indeed.

 

[cooleddie74]

In my life if I can't make something serious and romantic work within the first few tries (and depending on the person even fewer attempts) I just give up.

 

[fireproof78]

Picard and Crusher are both intelligent, mature adults. Well past the age when this might even be a thing... this is teenager behavior.

Eh...I mean, yes and no. I see it in some adults who have relationship trauma and find commitment scary or difficult. 5 times is excessive, and immature, but not soley in the realm of teenagers.

In my life if I can't make something serious and romantic work within the first few tries (and depending on the person even fewer attempts) I just give up.

Again, we all assume these are perfectly logical beings, uninfluenced by emotions, or their own personal history. That we are so detached from the situation does not make it less possible.

 

[Tuskin38]

Picard and Crusher are both intelligent, mature adults. Well past the age when this might even be a thing... this is teenager behavior.

Adults do it too.

 

[Lord Garth]

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[Farscape One]

Agreed that it's not solely teenager behavior, but it's the most likely age group you'd find such a thing, which is why I used that term.

 

[Lord Garth]

Eh...I mean, yes and no. I see it in some adults who have relationship trauma and find commitment scary or difficult. 5 times is excessive, and immature, but not soley in the realm of teenagers.

Again, we all assume these are perfectly logical beings, uninfluenced by emotions, or their own personal history. That we are so detached from the situation does not make it less possible.

Adults do it too.

Yeah, they can, I know this for a fact. But I thought Picard and Crusher were better than this. They wouldn't have stayed on the same ship together for over 15 years if this was going on.

"Yes they would've!" Actually, no they wouldn't.

 

[Farscape One]

Exactly! It further makes both look foolish.

Deconstructing the characters even further.

Worf is the only TNG character so far who hasn't come across badly in some way. Yet. The season is still young.

 

[fireproof78]

Exactly! It further makes both look foolish.

And that's...bad?

 

[Lord Garth]

And that's...bad?

I'm secure enough in how much I like PIC Season 3 that I don't have to defend everything it does to the death. If it messes up somewhere, I'm going to say it messed up.

Does that make it bad? No. If this were school, it got one wrong on a test. If that's the only fault I can find with PIC Season 3, they're doing pretty good IMO.

But, to quote Terry himself, "It's messy." Straight from the source.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm secure enough in how much I like PIC Season 3 that I don't have to defend everything it does to the death. If it messes up somewhere, I'm going to say it messed up.

Does that make it bad? No. If this were school, it got one wrong on a test. If that's the only fault I can find with PIC Season 3, they're doing pretty good IMO.

But, to quote Terry himself, "It's messy." Straight from the source.

I'm not defending anything. I'm asking a question, especially with Farscape because he is giving me a very unique view on the TNG characters that I simply don't have.

I agree it's messy. I'm curious if it's "bad" from their perspective?

For what it's worth Season 3 has yet to impress me. So finding fault is relatively easy if I so choose.

 

[drt]

But in that case you have the matter of the container to react with the antimatter.

Not to mention the planet and its atmosphere.