Spoilers A medical mystery

[Mogh]

So, bear with me on this one!

During his blacking out from verterium poisoning, Jack Crusher sees spreading red veins. What was this?

My money is: it's the Quickening, and Beverly has cured it.

DS9 fans will remember that the Changelings blighted a planet that defied them with the Quickening virus. It caused lesions on the face, spidery veins which turned bright red when the victim was close to search. Doctor Bashir found a way to stop it being passed to newborn infants, but couldn't cure it.

Consider: the very first few scenes of the season, we saw an award for Crusher's past success in curing a plague on Cor Caroli V, and the sort of blood sampling hypospray Bashir used to use, and her science kit. She has form here.

And those maternal instincts that kept Jean-Luc from his son: as he said in the season opener, Beverly would always put someone else first. If her own life were threatened she'd stand her ground, but if the Changelings had Jack - that's the one thing that would compromise her into revealing what she knows.

After protesting about the danger Jean-Luc brings, is the ultimate irony that she is the one who has brought danger to their son?

 

[Tosk]

All I know is, a pox on Ron Moore for forgetting it was the Teplan Blight, not the Quickening. The Quickening is what they go through in the final stage of the Blight. Boo, Ron! Boo!

 

[Mogh]

All I know is, a pox on Ron Moore for forgetting it was the Teplan Blight, not the Quickening. The Quickening is what they go through in the final stage of the Blight. Boo, Ron! Boo!

I stand corrected

 

[Agony_Boothb]

So, bear with me on this one!

During his blacking out from verterium poisoning, Jack Crusher sees spreading red veins. What was this?

My money is: it's the Quickening, and Beverly has cured it.

DS9 fans will remember that the Changelings blighted a planet that defied them with the Quickening virus. It caused lesions on the face, spidery veins which turned bright red when the victim was close to search. Doctor Bashir found a way to stop it being passed to newborn infants, but couldn't cure it.

Consider: the very first few scenes of the season, we saw an award for Crusher's past success in curing a plague on Cor Caroli V, and the sort of blood sampling hypospray Bashir used to use, and her science kit. She has form here.

And those maternal instincts that kept Jean-Luc from his son: as he said in the season opener, Beverly would always put someone else first. If her own life were threatened she'd stand her ground, but if the Changelings had Jack - that's the one thing that would compromise her into revealing what she knows.

After protesting about the danger Jean-Luc brings, is the ultimate irony that she is the one who has brought danger to their son?

iI severely doubt it. Given the references throughout the episode of there being a biological signature to the nebula, the Nebula is most likely a living being and I think what happened to Jack was an attempt by it to communicate. Also the trailers show T'Veen and Esmar who are Vulcan and Haiilian reacting to the bright bursts given off by whatever is at the centre of the nebula seen in the preview for next week, which is further evidence of some type of telepathy at play

 

[Tosk]

I stand corrected

No, you're still right because all the characters in Inter Arma call it the Quickening. My derision is all reserved for Ron.

 

[Dukhat]

No, you're still right because all the characters in Inter Arma call it the Quickening. My derision is all reserved for Ron.

I believe they even get the name of the planet wrong in that episode too.

 

[The Wormhole]

All I know is, a pox on Ron Moore for forgetting it was the Teplan Blight, not the Quickening. The Quickening is what they go through in the final stage of the Blight. Boo, Ron! Boo!

No, you're still right because all the characters in Inter Arma call it the Quickening. My derision is all reserved for Ron.

I believe they even get the name of the planet wrong in that episode too.

Unpossible! Everyone knows Star Trek of the 90s was the most consistent thing ever and holds up perfectly well with no contradictions or errors and that it's the Kurtzman era that gets everything wrong.

 

[Dar70]

Unpossible! Everyone knows Star Trek of the 90s was the most consistent thing ever and holds up perfectly well with no contradictions or errors and that it's the Kurtzman era that gets everything wrong.

The difference is one era it was errors, the other era it was intentional....

 

[Mike Doyle]

My mind went somewhere else when you said the quickening.

Jack is from a long line of Scot’s…

“From the dawn of time we came…moving silently down through the centuries. Living many secret lives, struggling to reach the time of the gathering, when the few who remain will battle to the last. No one has ever known we were among you…..until now.“

 

[urbandk]

Someone brought up the marks on Vadic and Sneed's face might be related.

 

[Noname Given]

The difference is one era it was errors, the other era it was intentional....

Yes, you are correct. We all know by their own admission that neither Rick Berman or Brannon Braga actually watched any of the original Star Trek during their time as producers and writers of their various Star Trek series. (Can't get more 'intentional' than that.)

 

[Timofnine]

The Quickening is one of my favourite DS9 episodes, the soundtrack is epic. A very sad ending too.

I do not think that there is a connection, though I like your theory a lot @Mogh

 

[The Old Mixer]

Roll up, roll up for the Medical Mystery Tour,
Step right this way!

 

[Dar70]

Yes, you are correct. We all know by their own admission that neither Rick Berman or Brannon Braga actually watched any of the original Star Trek during their time as producers and writers of their various Star Trek series. (Can't get more 'intentional' than that.)

Intentional or not. They did not commit the huge breaks in canon we see in some of the newer series.

 

[fireproof78]

I hope they're all excuted for it.

 

[Noname Given]

Intentional or not. They did not commit the huge breaks in canon we see in some of the newer series.

Oh please. Spare me.

1) The Federation Uses Money.
See TOS S1 Mudd's Women, TOS S1 Errand Of Mercy, TOS S2 I Mudd...and there are plenty more episodes where this is clearly the case. All through TNG Picard and Co. state mankind hasn't used money for centuries and pins down the exact time According to Berman and Braga mankind stops the practice of using money 50 years after first contact.

2) In TOS the Klingons and Romulans WERE ALLIES.
See TOS S3 - The Enterprise Incident
(In TNG Worf has remarked many times that the Klingon Empire have been enemies for centuries.)

3) In TOS the Prime Directive only applied to non-spacefaring cultures and even then an initial survey where they would allow a few inhabitants know they were there and would do a planetary survey to SEE if the planet in question warranted PD protection.
See TOS S2 A Private Little War and TOS S2 The Omega Glory
In TNG the PD was applied to any and every non-Federation world <--- That's a huge and ridiculous change as how did they conduct trade or make treaties with other Star Nations in the Galaxy? But, that was TNG.

(Oh, and if non of these are 'Major' to y9ou - please give me a couple of examples of what you consider the major canon violations of the current Streaming Trek era.)

 

[Tuskin38]

1) The Federation Uses Money.
See TOS S1 Mudd's Women, TOS S1 Errand Of Mercy, TOS S2 I Mudd...and there are plenty more episodes

Yep, so much even EAS has an article on it
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/economy.htm

 

[The Wormhole]

To be fair, EAS has a article for everything.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Those red tendrils and the voices calling added to the evil skull man point clearly to one thing.

It's Vecna calling Jack into the Upsidedown.

 

[Dar70]

Oh please. Spare me.

1) The Federation Uses Money.
See TOS S1 Mudd's Women, TOS S1 Errand Of Mercy, TOS S2 I Mudd...and there are plenty more episodes where this is clearly the case. All through TNG Picard and Co. state mankind hasn't used money for centuries and pins down the exact time According to Berman and Braga mankind stops the practice of using money 50 years after first contact.

2) In TOS the Klingons and Romulans WERE ALLIES.
See TOS S3 - The Enterprise Incident
(In TNG Worf has remarked many times that the Klingon Empire have been enemies for centuries.)

3) In TOS the Prime Directive only applied to non-spacefaring cultures and even then an initial survey where they would allow a few inhabitants know they were there and would do a planetary survey to SEE if the planet in question warranted PD protection.
See TOS S2 A Private Little War and TOS S2 The Omega Glory
In TNG the PD was applied to any and every non-Federation world <--- That's a huge and ridiculous change as how did they conduct trade or make treaties with other Star Nations in the Galaxy? But, that was TNG.

(Oh, and if non of these are 'Major' to y9ou - please give me a couple of examples of what you consider the major canon violations of the current Streaming Trek era.)

You are right they are not major enough. Those are on a much smaller scale than some of the things Discovery or SNW has done. Intentionally so Admittedly by production. There is gonna be errors. This is unavoidable. But to do it intentionally and admit it and than try to reverse it latter is worse than any of the stuff you mentioned.

The fact that after decades of a certain Klingon look (with a great 3 story arc in Enterprise) to explain the differences the producers egos on Discovery go and give them a gold color and FOUR FREAKING NOSTRILS and elongated skulls...lmao.

Spocks wife having a significant presence in SNW is jarring as well as the fact the character is boring as hell.
The Turbolift funhouse goes against ANY type of tech retcon/revision that we have seen in the past 60 years in Trek. It was so ridiculous, I have to wonder if whoever came up with that idea even know what Star Trek is.

This is not even scratching the surface of the big ones and there are several smaller ones in there as well.
You can search all the previous series all day long and there is no way you will convince me that pre Kurtzman Trek contained less extensive retcons/errors etc than those shows. The sad thing is Kurtzman and company DID Trek watch all previous shows. They do a far worse job than Berman/Braga ever did. Thankfully even with the two worse seasons of Picard, they have been spared most of the DISCO/SNW silliness.

Now I will end this with what I normally do when I discuss this. SNW Is an improvement over DISCO. Still has issues but it benefits from more self contained episode. Too bad the Enterprise now has that ridiculous Turbolift interior.