Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x03 - "Seventeen Seconds"

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Now I am imaging the movie Contact, where Ellie is looking at a beautiful universe and instead of thinking that they “should’ve sent a poet,” thinking, “boy this is useless without sensors.”

Always loved that movie.

 

[StewMc]

So obviously with this episode and the last, Worf's "I prefer pacifism now" line in the trailer was just a joke.

I think it’s more Worf *thinks* he is a pacifist, compared to what he used to be like. Hence the “I used to be like her” re Raffi.

But it’s more like he’s just a very relaxed… whatever the opposite of pacifist is.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I think the key word here is that he "prefers" pacifism. He does not say that he is a pacifist.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Worf reserves Thursdays for pacifism.

If Raffi remembered her Starfleet training she would know Tuesdays are reserved for installation of phasers and torpedoes.

 

[Wouter]

I found the episode disappointing, most of the drama felt forced and the Titan is not only completely outclassed by the enemy warship, the latter's crew is also more competent. The senior Starfleet officers onboard the Titan continue to bicker around and Jack Crusher is smarter than all the bridge crew together. Not much liking it.

Worf was great though. That changeling was uncharacteristically weak and/or incompetent though, a DS9 infiltrator would either have escaped easily or have killed his pursuers.

 

[Lord Garth]

I found the episode disappointing, most of the drama felt forced and the Titan is not only completely outclassed by the enemy warship, the latter's crew is also more competent. The senior Starfleet officers onboard the Titan continue to bicker around and Jack Crusher is smarter than all the bridge crew together. Not much liking it.

Worf was great though. That changeling was uncharacteristically weak and/or incompetent though, a DS9 infiltrator would either have escaped easily or have killed his pursuers.

Part of me thinks, in-universe, Starfleet got a little bit too carried away with making the new Titan a retro ship.

 

[Wouter]

It's even worse in, say, Prodigy where Rok-tahk's real voice is a deep sounding monstrous one yet the universal translator arbritrarily chose to give her a high pitched young girl's voice instead of just translating her dialogue as her genuine deep sounding monstrous voice.

I think this is an accurate choice for the magical translator: Rok-Tahk is a little girl, so for a Brikar this is probably how she sounds. The UT does makes the choice to give the equivalent impression to humans.

 

[Mr Awe]

It does feel like there's something different about Will and Jean-Lucs relationship in this episode. Picard badgering Will at every turn doesn't feel natural and his reaction to it feels a bit off too. I've no doubt they'll delve into this a little bit more but it just, from the outside, seems like there isn't any trust in the other here.

Maybe the effect of the Nebula creature? Agreed that Picard's pestering and Riker's reaction at the end were out of character.

 

[Mr Awe]

Part of me thinks, in-universe, Starfleet got a little bit too carried away with making the new Titan a retro ship.

I love how the Titan-A looks!

 

[Photoman15]

Beverly's explanation needed to be GOOD. And it wasn't. That was a very weak excuse. Totally out of character. Picard has a target on his back? Please. Picard is the captain least likely to have anyone come after him ever. He's relatively chill. Unlike Kirk.

Probably my biggest miss so far.

Beverly could have shut Picard down with two words: "Jason Vigo"

 

[cooleddie74]

Yep. That would have been extreme fanwank but, Hell, it's Star Trek. At this point it's expected.

 

[ToddCam]

The Bashir changeling was gonna suicide bomb the sun - I doubt he was going to be able to escape with how close he had to get and a giant fleet right there. Then there was the one Odo killed on the Defiant who had been little chance of survival, even if he was completely successful.

Didn't Laas have the ability to go to warp? And we know the Dominion had long range transporters. No reason to think the changelings couldn't escape.

 

[Phily B]

I found the episode disappointing, most of the drama felt forced and the Titan is not only completely outclassed by the enemy warship, the latter's crew is also more competent. The senior Starfleet officers onboard the Titan continue to bicker around and Jack Crusher is smarter than all the bridge crew together. Not much liking it.

Worf was great though. That changeling was uncharacteristically weak and/or incompetent though, a DS9 infiltrator would either have escaped easily or have killed his pursuers.

I think they make a point early on that the Titan is outgunned and outclassed, that it "isn't the Enterprise". Is it not more of a science ship? It doesn't even appear to have quantum torpedoes, as far as armament goes it seems decades behind. This makes sense in a lot of ways and explains why Shaw was so hesitant about leaving Federation space.

I'd bet any modern Starfleet ship equipped for battle would be able to take down the shrike no problem, probably the Enterprise-E or Defiant could solo it with little effort.

 

[MarsWeeps]

I didn't care for seasons 1 & 2 of Picard, but 3 episodes into the 3rd season, and the TNG vibe is back. I wish season 1 started out like this. Giving this episode 8/10.

 

[Therin of Andor]

The scene where he had lines was deleted. He’s in it I just checked on prime and he’s visible while Picard is making his spearhead.

Wesley is visible at the far end of the wedding table, from both sides of the table, but in the cropped TV version, he is essentially cut offscreen. But widescreen he is definitely there, and has dialogue in the Bonus Features.

 

[Corran Horn]

It could also be the data cube containing Moriarty.

My assumption is Lore is 'stolen' and Moriarty is consulted because he was specifically created with the capability of defeating Data.

 

[NCC-73515]

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The trophy they gave Dorn on The View also said worng when they tried to write worf XD

Well the subtitles gave away her gunner crew as 'changeling 1' 'changeling 2' etc. Changelings think of themselves as gods, and they've already come a long way down as it is if they're doing menial starship work instead of having the Jem Hadar or Vorta do it. Who could Vadic be that these extremist changelings are willing to take orders from a solid?

Cigar smoking shapeshifter -> a chameloid like the one in TUC. Perhaps they can keep their shapes forever and are the changeling gods XD

It's nice to finally see that there's a captain who remembers that ships come with windows.

I took it as a callback to early TNG where Geordi was sent to look out the window to confirm sensor readings XD

 

[FreezeC77]

Maybe the effect of the Nebula creature? Agreed that Picard's pestering and Riker's reaction at the end were out of character.

I kinda hope we find out it's all a callback to Encounter at Farpoint and the Nebula is one of those huge jellyfish type creatures. Either an evolved form, or perhaps they exist in this nebula type form until they turn into the jellyfish that can then travel the galaxy. Maybe it's even the 'child' of the two from Encounter at Farpoint or what they jointly turned into (which would then remember Picard)

 

[IMC Headquarters]

I kinda hope we find out it's all a callback to Encounter at Farpoint and the Nebula is one of those huge jellyfish type creatures. Either an evolved form, or perhaps they exist in this nebula type form until they turn into the jellyfish that can then travel the galaxy. Maybe it's even the 'child' of the two from Encounter at Farpoint or what they jointly turned into (which would then remember Picard)

That would be a lovely callback.

 

[bookworm8571]

I call hypocrisy on this. She put Jack in dangerous situations outside Fed space where he had to turn to lawbreaking to survive. She took the understandable violence after Shinzon's death (incidents in the Donatra sector etc.) out of context and completely ignored Picard's safe and stable life in France for 15 years (she could've just visited with Jack, he'd have been 6 years old or younger after Picard's retirement began).

She just didn't want to be with him anymore and lied about the reason. Practically every failed attempt at a date did this to me also so I find it very realistic to be honest.

Highly improbable. Since when did Beverly give a damn about power? For one thing, it isn’t clear exactly when she joined the Mariposas or if little Jack always went with her. Maybe she raised that kid in her grandmother’s house in the little Scottish inspired colony and then sent him off to school on Earth. He spent at least some of his formative years at school in London — presumably Oxford for university and possibly a prep school as a preteen and adolescent. Accents you learn before puberty are likelier to stick than those acquired later and he speaks like a native Brit. He might well have been an adult before he joined his mom on those medical runs.