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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x03 - "Seventeen Seconds"

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Picard is emotionally compromised. Riker understand that problem, because he had the same experience as Picard with his late son. Basically, Picard can't judge the situation correctly after he saw Jack injured and almost died in the sick bay. His brain is clouded with hatred, so he wants to destroy Shrike for revenge.

Even then it seems like Riker just doesn't want to take Jean-Lucs mental state into consideration. They've known each other for 40 years, surely Will can recognise when Picard isn't acting like himself. Also blaming him for the portal redirecting the torpedos as if he wasn't the one who gave the command. It almost seems like he doesn't trust himself even though he's been a captain for what? 25ish years.
 
By the way, it's interesting how even in the 21th century is still alive and kicking the old trope of the 'one-punch-knockout'.
Being "hoodwinked", "getting the third degree", "getting the wool pulled over your eyes", being "on the level" or being "square" with someone, are all terms that are hundreds of years old.

Their etymology is also all Masonic. ;)
 
So, if this were a video game, the solution to the problem would be “thinking with portals”.
Speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out and all that stuff.
They have a daredevil pilot at the helm with the nickname crash. Someone who could pull off a bunch of crazy maneuvers of provoking portal throws, which the Titan could exploit to outflank the Shrike.
Use it against them.
For example fake a running attempt, but really it’s an attack run anticipating the teleport, use your ongoing momentum to swing around and hit them hard before the Shrike can Portal them again?

But too late now, I guess.
 
A 9 this week. I think the only thing dragging it down slightly this season has been the Raffi thread. At least now, with Worf's involvement, and the revelation that changelings are also involved, I'm intrigued. :klingon:

I'm not sure if Troi can be marked off on the TNG bingo being as it was only a communication, but we had her face and everything! ;)

Are Seven and Raffi still together? I may have missed a reference on their status as they haven't shared any scenes together yet. A refreshing change from last season's buddy cop routine, which was also mixed with dodgy humour.
 
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There have been other Trek episodes post-WOK with ships flying into Nebulae, I honestly can't remember if shields worked or not.

Maybe it only happens in specific kinds of Nebulae.
 
Even then it seems like Riker just doesn't want to take Jean-Lucs mental state into consideration. They've known each other for 40 years, surely Will can recognise when Picard isn't acting like himself. Also blaming him for the portal redirecting the torpedos as if he wasn't the one who gave the command. It almost seems like he doesn't trust himself even though he's been a captain for what? 25ish years.
With the writers' tendency to go for the cliche and obvious (Jack Crusher being Picard's love child), and the fact that everything Riker did got the Titan straight into this mess, I'm coming around to the previously insane (to me) theory that Riker is a changeling.

New Trek's not the type that's going to be able to resist the "beloved character is a changeling" gimmick once they've decided on changelings as the villains.

The only wrench in this theory is the trailer (can't find it now) of a still to be aired scene of Troi chewing out Riker for running half a galaxy away the moment Jean-Luc called, seemingly confirming the hint of marital problems in the season premiere. However, this trailer might've aired this scene out of context to seemingly disprove the "Riker is a changeling theory" they knew would start running rampant. I suspect the real Riker did get a call from Jean-Luc, did indeed run half a galaxy away from Nepenthe to Earth to meet him, and at that point was intercepted by a changeling and replaced before meeting Picard at Guinan's bar. Troi's chewing Riker out after rescuing him from changeling jail, not after Riker's facing court martial for actions on the Titan.
 
I wonder if the veins/vines Jack sees in his vision are related to those we see on Vadic's face. Since he sees it along with Seven, could it be hinting at some kind of organic collective consciousness? Possibly one using Changeling morphogenics and artificial neural pathways, hence why they'd steal Lore from the Daystrom Institute?
 
A minor quibble: the Titan's crew was thinking 2 dimensionally (as Spock would say) in the portal scene....just....Z-minus 20 degrees and go below the thing....this is probably more of a special effects issue...the portal should have been bigger to make it look unavoidable.
 
A minor quibble: the Titan's crew was thinking 2 dimensionally (as Spock would say) in the portal scene....just....Z-minus 20 degrees and go below the thing....this is probably more of a special effects issue...the portal should have been bigger to make it look unavoidable.
This was my thought too, though inertia is still a thing in space so perhaps it is simply too close to avoid, but then the Titan should be making evasive maneuvers to avoid a predictable firing solution.

The T-A has all those impulse engines, so use them.
 
There have been other Trek episodes post-WOK with ships flying into Nebulae, I honestly can't remember if shields worked or not.

Maybe it only happens in specific kinds of Nebulae.
As hinted at in my rant earlier, Star Trek’s nebulas don’t make sense in any real world sense.
Always way to small, on a scale of thousands of Km with clear defined edges and a density to rival Jupiter’s upper atmosphere instead of light year wide structures that you wouldn’t even be able to see if you were inside it.

They are magical things with properties of whatever the plot demands.
 
"Star Trek: Picard" challenges us to consider that our icons change, yes even in franchises | Salon.com

Dorn admitted to having a few reservations about Worf's initial reveal in "Picard," but was ultimately satisfied by how his story progressed. Nevertheless: "There were times when I'd look at the script and go, 'You know, Worf wouldn't say that. You know?'" Dorn told reporters covering the event. "And Jonathan Frakes, you know, he would say, 'Shut up, Mike, and do the lines.'"


I'm starting to get a little nervous, Dorn's saying these things at promotional events bring flashbacks of Mark Hamill mentioning his misgivings about the Last Jedi. These guys know their characters. Between Disney's Star Wars and now possibly Trek, we have out-of-character moments that are then covered up as "people change". Yes, they change in a way that's organic to their past--for example, Wolverine and Xavier in the Logan movie, or Spock trying to help the Romulans and also being fooled by Pardek in Unification. But things like Beverly's hiding a kid from Jean-Luc can't really be classified as organic or natural change of character as much as artifical plot changes and character alterations that don't really jive with what went before (Beverly for example takes a bunch of isolated violent incidents to justify her actions when this very show highlighted Picard living a peaceful life for 15 years on Earth).
Well. what was done to Luke Skywalker in TFA and TLJ sucked big time.

What they've done to Worf is wonderful and IIMO really works so far for me. Makes me want to see MORE of that character - not LESS (which was how I felt about Luke Skywalker in TFA and TLJ).
 
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