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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x03 - "Seventeen Seconds"

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Mike Doyle said:
The scene where he had lines was deleted. He’s in it I just checked on prime and he’s visible while Picard is making his spearhead.
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Good choice. That scene was inane.

You remember Wesley and his blandly womanizing ways? Right? He was a teenager 15 years ago. So horny.
 
Definitely a very solid episode of television and a great Star Trek entry.

I think it's good that our heroes have some conflict --- especially in the first half of a story, I think it's important to lay out the tension, particularly between characters who haven't been too close in 20+ years after many years of being as tight as a group can be.

The determining factor of whether that "works" is pretty subjective. I agree with others that the only thing that truly felt unearned was Riker's "You've killed us all..." line.

But! I'll give the show space to reveal more of what a bad place Riker is in emotionally. He hasn't been a full-time captain in a while, his personal life is clearly difficult, and he really is about to die and send the crew of his former command to their deaths --- all for a plan he conceived.

Put simply, Riker's got a lot to deal with this season. Good!

Or it could be a Changeling. Or Thomas Riker.

I also think:
  • This is the first PIC episode that felt really thematically tight --- fatherhood, duty, change over time, setting personal priorities. This played out generally well between Riker and Picard, I think.
  • I think the Crusher/Picard confrontation was supremely well acted, and I actually think the logical flow of the argument made a lot of sense.
  • They're both right to a degree, and had to make hard choices that had hard consequences. That's life! I would enjoy a show where everyone's nice to Jean Luc and he drinks tea and looks at his artifacts, but that would not be a very good show --- just a pleasant one.
  • Riker sums this whole theme up in the very next scene, telling Jack that "we're human" (the true and enduring theme of Star Trek).
  • Overall, Riker dealing with Dad Stuff working really well for me so far.
  • I like that Riker and Picard talked past each other so much --- they will have to mend this --- same with Beverly and Geordi (and Worf?) --- in order to confront the challenge. That's storytelling!
  • Raffi's delivery of "...Cool" was great. I have not enjoyed how this character has been written generally, and it stings more when you see little glimpses of what Michelle Hurd could do with small moments like that.
  • I like Worf's "I'm ... working on myself, as humans say." I like couching contemporary phrasing that way, I just think it's neat and funny.
  • I wish they'd split the exposition between Worf and Raffi to a more "two detectives finishing each other's sentences" but that's a minor quibble.
  • The Seven/Sydney scene could have been hammy, but I think the actors and writers sold it. Jeri Ryan surprises every time.
  • The Shrike's phaser pulses(?) sound like shotgun blasts. Neat sound design!
  • Portal weapon is just a great cat-and-mouse tool, and I like that the writer's didn't feel the need to overexplain it.
  • Jack's vision --- visually intriguing but ... what's the deal?
  • Love the idea of the nebula being some kind of evolution of Changeling biology, or a new technique/technology. Ergo, all Vadic has to do is keep them there --- they knew Titan would hide in the nebula, Starfleet loves that shit. Like corralling livestock into a pen --- which was expressly said this episode.
  • Again to the mirror of Picard and Riker and fatherhood, by the end of the episode, Picard sees Riker was right about Jack. Riker realizes running won't help (and neither will fighting --- they just need to be rescued by Commodore LaForge on special assignment to the USS Challenger.)
  • Who doesn't love a "sinking" ship in space? Fun! Scary!
 
Based on the trailers, at some point Riker is captured by Vadic, we see him tied up on the Shrike's bridge, in the same uniform he's wearing on the Titan.
 
Romulan_spy said:
If you look closely, you can see the flash of the shields when the Shrike's weapons hit the Titan. The shields are just skin tight now, instead of the bubble. The shields are mitigating damage. It would be much worse without the shields. With the shields, there is concussion damage that causes fires and systems to overload but the structure of the ship is still intact. Without shields, half the saucer would the torn right off and floating into space.
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So I gather shields now work in the nebula? Sauce for the goose Mr. Saavik.
 
Honestly I found young LaForge's discussion with Seven to be entirely, 100% inappropriate. She's a junior officer, and Seven is the XO, which on most ships means she's the taskmasker/disciplinarian. Maybe since Shaw's a dick that's less true there, but it's still trying to have a heart-to-heart with your supervisor which is...not how workplaces work, even if we don't consider Starfleet to be the military.
 
Tuskin38 said:
For star trek, 2 TNG games in the 90s. That’s all I can find. She voiced Benezia in Mass Effect 1.

She’s also credited as Deanna for a family guy Mobile game, but I don’t know if that was archive audio or new.
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X Com 2: War if the chosen has Sirtis, Frakes, Dorn, De Lancie, Crosbie and maybe other TNGers I’ve forgotten about.
 
Commander K said:
what gave him the reasons to say all his titles?
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Tuskin38 said:
He doesn’t need a reason. It’s Worf.
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Remember when Koloth rattled off all his titles to Odo in DS9's "Blood Oath"? It's not just a Worf thing, it's a Klingon thing. Long before the Lannisters are Targaryens recited their long-winded titles every other episode...
 
eschaton said:
Honestly I found young LaForge's discussion with Seven to be entirely, 100% inappropriate. She's a junior officer, and Seven is the XO, which on most ships means she's the taskmasker/disciplinarian. Maybe since Shaw's a dick that's less true there, but it's still trying to have a heart-to-heart with your supervisor which is...not how workplaces work, even if we don't consider Starfleet to be the military.
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I often have person-to-person talks with my immediate boss. But such conversations are entirely off the record, only in confidance, and when it's apparent that something is wrong. It definitely helps build teamwork and can make a job easier.
 
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