Eye of the Needle

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Indeed... strangely, though, Tuvok was present in the concept art for MU Voyager (or "Janeway pillages the Delta Quadrant"), even though he was canonically present elsewhere.


Maybe the Terran Rebellion ultimately brings it back... isn't THAT a cheerful thought?

That’s what happens in STO.
The new Terran Empire is able to match Starfleet in record time, but is more alien friendly overall I think?
Leeta was Empress for a while, before Evil Traveler Wesley took over the role and merged with mirror V’ger or something?

 

[DonIago]

I think I'll stick with how the novels handled it...

 

[johnnybear]

A new one on me. Is it a comic book or a novel?
JB

 

[Geargoose]

That's where the near-lightspeed journey would come in after they've moved back to the AQ in 2351. Let the crew experience Einsteinian time dilatation and while 20 years go by on Earth, only, say, 6 months go by for them on the near-lightspeed ship, depending on what time dilatation factor is achievable. (Think twin clock paradox.) Or, as an alternative, let them hang close to an extreme-gravity body such as a black hole (like we saw in the movie Interstellar).

So for this, they probably would need to have contact with Starfleet HQ back in 2351 to get an old ship, but the contamination risks could be kept limited, by keeping knowledge of the incident on a need-to-know basis.

Just steal romulan starship and perform TOS time jump, with no need to wait, if the infomation about time jump not extremely top-secret, and it isn't hidden even from captains to avoid assimilation of that info by the Borg

 

[Guy Gardener]

Just steal romulan starship and perform TOS time jump, with no need to wait, if the infomation about time jump not extremely top-secret, and it isn't hidden even from captains to avoid assimilation of that info by the Borg

The Borg don't want to dominate territory.

They want to help people.

You can't help people who are never born because you assimilated their grand parents.

 

[Geargoose]

The Borg don't want to dominate territory.

They want to help people.

You can't help people who are never born because you assimilated their grand parents.

Well, then access secret starfleet instruction by code Janeway-8-Pi-Alpha-3-Omicron, download program to the romulan vessel and go home

 

[somebuddyX]

I don't have a problem with Janeway not wanting to go back in time to hang out with a Romulan. There's just too many variables for things to go wrong. If they went back in time I'd imagine she'd want to keep the crew isolated from changing the past but how do you enforce that and how is that different from just being isolated in the present. Plus she doesn't know what time travel version is active for this adventure. Is it "Yesterday's Enterprise" where people can exist if the timeline is altered or is it "Children of Time"? What happens if she changed the past of one of her present day crewmates? What happens to their future/present day selves? If the ship had been able to go back in time then at least there's a place she has some control but even then how many of 150 people would say screw it to go hang out with their family or choose to change past mistakes or avert disasters? I think part of the time travel directive is mitigating exposure not saying screw it it's already broken.
I also can't blame her for not leaving a bomb to blow up the Caretaker's array and then zipping out. She would need to know it worked. Maybe Sisko could deal with sleepless nights wondering what happened but Janeway couldn't live with that. (Could she have called for backup and made the array a Starfleet outpost though? Ehh..)

 

[Geargoose]

I don't have a problem with Janeway not wanting to go back in time to hang out with a Romulan. There's just too many variables for things to go wrong. If they went back in time I'd imagine she'd want to keep the crew isolated from changing the past but how do you enforce that and how is that different from just being isolated in the present. Plus she doesn't know what time travel version is active for this adventure. Is it "Yesterday's Enterprise" where people can exist if the timeline is altered or is it "Children of Time"? What happens if she changed the past of one of her present day crewmates? What happens to their future/present day selves? If the ship had been able to go back in time then at least there's a place she has some control but even then how many of 150 people would say screw it to go hang out with their family or choose to change past mistakes or avert disasters? I think part of the time travel directive is mitigating exposure not saying screw it it's already broken.
I also can't blame her for not leaving a bomb to blow up the Caretaker's array and then zipping out. She would need to know it worked. Maybe Sisko could deal with sleepless nights wondering what happened but Janeway couldn't live with that. (Could she have called for backup and made the array a Starfleet outpost though? Ehh..)

She may just send back a probe with encrypted message to Starfleet and continue to defend the array, later transport some Starfleet ships called by the probe, so they could defend the array later

It may be the way of actions of MU Captain

 

[A Chimpanzee & 2 Trainees]

The other issue is what Chakotay pointed out... they already made a big impact when they arrived in the Delta Quadrant.

I don't think it really is much of an issue though, and I think he's absolutely right about the possible technical solution. In fact the mechanics of impacts to the timeline can be kept fairly minimal assuming that everyone in the Romulan gov't is on board with it. They don't have to wait around at all really.

The could just climb right into that ship, hit "go". Their past impacts to the DQ then remain intact. In fact, it would be even better if they calculated it out that they dropped back into "normal time" based on the exact amount of time they spent in the DQ. Then your crew's biological age is exactly right for the current timeline. The time you spent missing from the Federation is exactly the time you would have spent away anyway had it been a full sized Wormhole that wasn't time shifting, so you're not changing anything there.

And as far as future impacts to the Delta Quadrant that they wouldn't have made if they did make it home... I don't see how you can really worry about that without not bothering to find any shortcuts anywhere and buckle up for an 80 year ride home. At some point, if you do go home early for any reason without this time shifted wormhole, why is using that less of a problem than this (assuming you can do all the above)?

The main problem is really the Romulans. You need to depend on the Romulans (and any branches of the Romulan security services) to allow you to do that in the first place. Who's to say they won't lock up the crew, and use mind probes to gather info about the future or just steal technological secrets so that they have 20 years more powerful ships than the Federation, and start embarking on a mission of conquest. It was only 100 years or so ago that Kirk was playing cat and mouse with a Romulan empire that was implied to be itching for conflict. This lone Romulan Commander can't personally guarantee their safety. It's just too risky. You could change the whole history/future of the AQ.

 

[at Quark's]

Well, Janeway could also have reasoned that if they hadn't been there, the Kazon would have overtaken the array anyway. (It is debatable whether the Kazon ship that disabled the Array's autodestruct by crashing into it would have happened). This in fact seems to be Tuvok's reasoning ('the prime directive would seem to apply').

Which leads to an interesting question. Does the prime directive merely dictate Starfleet does not get involved to alter the fate of a pre-warp species, or also that it is allowed to prevent other interstellar factions from doing so?

The main problem is really the Romulans. You need to depend on the Romulans (and any branches of the Romulan security services) to allow you to do that in the first place. Who's to say they won't lock up the crew, and use mind probes to gather info about the future or just steal technological secrets so that they have 20 years more powerful ships than the Federation, and start embarking on a mission of conquest. It was only 100 years or so ago that Kirk was playing cat and mouse with a Romulan empire that was implied to be itching for conflict. This lone Romulan Commander can't personally guarantee their safety. It's just too risky. You could change the whole history/future of the AQ.

I agree that would be the main culprit. As far as Janeway knows, the Romulans in general can't be trusted, even when she could trust this single Romulan commander.