Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x02 - "Disengage"

[Yistaan]

“I have no father!”

Like literally, maybe?

President Saavik, sorry to interrupt you but Admiral Picard is demanding to speak to the Federation Council. He says he's found the Chosen One prophesied to bring balance to the galaxy.

 

[ToddCam]

Tom Hardy was a failed clone, he either lost his hair early or chose to shave it for whatever reason.

I'm pretty sure they were referring to the picture of Picard from Starfleet Academy shown in that movie, which was bald Tom Hardy. As if he were bald before the age of 23 or so.

 

[gvn2fly]

Y'all remember how Star Trek people used to be able to check someone's DNA in literally seconds?

They still can. Choosing not to do so doesnt mean they cant.

 

[Jedi Marso]

My opinion on the big reveal?

It’s a cover. It’s actually a clone of Jack Crusher, and Picard knows this, and pretends it’s his son because he wants to protect his “old Friend” after not being able to on the Stargazer. He felt he owed it to both Jack and Beverly. And Riker recognizes Jack as Jack, and that’s why he asking Picard about the obvious.

Well that’s my hope anyway. But as long as whatever the truth is is entertaining, I don’t care.

Maybe not exactly this as postulated above, but I'll still be very surprised if Jack is a simple, flesh-and-blood offspring of JL and Bev. There's something more at work here, I think. Time and a few more eps will tell.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I'm pretty sure they were referring to the picture of Picard from Starfleet Academy shown in that movie, which was bald Tom Hardy. As if he were bald before the age of 23 or so.

Then that could've been a deliberate choice in hair styling.

 

[gvn2fly]

Apparently the darkness was a mistake they couldn't fix in time for filming. They wanted the bridge to self illuminate so they wouldn't have to use too many studio lights for more dynamic filming angles.

Once they had it set up and realized how dark it was, there wasn't time to fix it.

Source?

 

[cooleddie74]

Exactly. The photo. Shinzon may well have gone bald early due to toxins from dilithium mining or even shaved it to fit in better with his hairless Reman colleagues. It was just convenient that adult Shinzon was bald like his genetic template.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Also, Tom Hardy this guy is not.

 

[ToddCam]

DIdn't realize he was the actor from Eragon, which I liked quite a bit despite the film's poor reception.

Mind blown. Now I can't unsee him as Eragon.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Beverly never told you what happened to your father.

“I have no father!”

Like literally, maybe?

No Jack.

I am your father.

 

[SimiOne]

Why would having a son with JLP damage Beverly's character?


Let's go with Ed Speleers real age, 34 y/o.
Let's say he wasn't born right after Nemesis, but during that 1 year that Beverly was away and head of StarFleet Medical.
That should be close enough to account for the age of Jack/Ed.

He should be in his late 20's / early 30's.


Because she's not afraid of the USS Titan.

It's a "Puny little ship" in comparison of size / fire power / etc compared to her ship.

She's confident enough to lower the shields to make let StarFleet scan them and not take a trick shot during that vulnerable moment.


Maybe Beverly & JLP hooked up during the events of "The Naked Now"
That was S1 Ep 3.
Beverly was gone for S2, and back for S3.
ST:TNG S2 took place in 2365
ST:PIC S3 takes place in 2401
That's a 36 year time gap.
Assuming Beverly gave birth near the early part of S2 or later part of S2.
The age of Jack Crusher could be 35/36 y/o.
That should match with 34 y/o Ed Speleers who portrays Jack Crusher.


+ Ensign LaForge gets huge kudos for spot on location for emerging from Warp.
+ I definitely love the part where they flung the Eleos at the Titan.
More proof that with enough Kinetic energy damage, you can over power shields through brute force alone. Quite the move by Captain Vadic. Also loved Ensign LaForge having to explain that to Captain Shaw.
+ Worf finally getting to be super badass and chop off some heads, all those years of him being a meme and the "Worf Effect" trope gets named after him. Now he gets a measure of awesomeness by saving raffi.
+ I don't think JLP expected somebody to fling an entire StarShip so precisely with a tractor beam that it skids by and tears a chunk of the Titan's hull. That's new to JLP and most people.
+ Maybe deep down, Shaw also has the same problem as JLP and wanted a wife & kid. So he can relate.
+ Also, I love the fact that Seven had to lecture Shaw on how he wanted to be remembered by history: as the Captain who let two legends die, or the one who saved them. That finally opened his eyes and stop being so "By the Book".
+ I don't think Vadic really cares about JLP, she seems to be the modern day equivalent of a hybrid of "Space Pirate" & "Bounty Hunter". She has no loyalty to any government, she's her own boss.

The copy and paste Fleet in the season one final did the same. It seems that the modern Ships can calculate precise outwarping as standard.

 

[fireproof78]

Well everyone has the right to an opinion. And if enough people object, that can alter outcomes. Already it seems like the profanity has been significantly dialed back from season 1 levels based on advance reviews. Which is great for in-universe verisimilitude.

What swearing? The two "f" words and occasional other swears? This has been blown out of proportion to absurdist levels with the "not real Trek crowd" to the point that it is becoming extremely hard to take seriously that people actually watched the show, rather than hearing about how this "Nu Trek"* swears every other word, and disrespects Roddenberry and everything he stands for! I use hyperbole but only slightly.

In universe we have had the following swears and idioms, of the top of my head: in a pig's eye, bastard, bitch, damn, hell, shit, fuck, merde, as well as Klingon and Romulan swears. The only difference is the hyperfocus paid to it.

The more irritating thing is that this verisimilitude that gets bandied about has changed and adjusted since TOS. In TOS they could only hint as sexual contact, while TNG out and out expressed it with Yar. Swearing became more common as censorship eased. It's a reflection of the times, not that Trek somehow needed to be "dialed in."

 

[ToddCam]

Then that could've been a deliberate choice in hair styling.

Of course. For my "headcanon" I like to think he lost a bet. But the obvious implication in Nemesis is that Picard was bald when young, so that's why Shinzon is bald when young.

 

[Yistaan]

If we take Speelers' statement of Jack's 23-24 age literally, that means he was born in the aftermath of Crusher being rejuvenated on Ba'ku planet.

 

[Gepard]

“I have no father!”

Like literally, maybe?

I took it literally until I realized that wasn't what the scene was getting at.

Either that's the twist or my brain is completely cooked by sci-fi.

 

[ToddCam]

I took it literally until I realized that wasn't what the scene was getting at.

Either that's the twist or my brain is completely cooked by sci-fi.

I hadn't thought of the possibility that Jack could be a sex-altered clone of Beverly herself, a la Wolverine's clone Laura Kinney. I'm sure he's not, but it would be kind of neat.

 

[cooleddie74]

Of course. For my "headcanon" I like to think he lost a bet. But the obvious implication in Nemesis is that Picard was bald when young, so that's why Shinzon is bald when young.

Apparently they took a photo of Hardy in the 2320s Cadet uniform and with hair but somebody on the production staff instructed them to make young Picard bald so that's why the photo in the theatrical release is of bald Tom Hardy.

 

[firehawk12]

Shaw did seem to be a bit genre savvy in that he kept giving Picard an opportunity to pull a rabbit out of his hat before the deadline rather than sending Jack over the second he found out he actually was a wanted man. Apparently, he may not like cowboys, but he recognizes their utility when you've got an out-of-control cattle herd.

Haha, there's a lot of "main character" energy there. I guess if I knew I was in a show called Picard and talking to Picard, I'd be counting on him to figure something out too.

Picard's robo-body came up a couple times in season 2 (Q pointed out that, in a bizarre and pointless coincidence, evil-Picard had also had his mind downloaded into an android body, and Rios complained to the ICE officer that his boss got turned into a robot but no one explained to him how that made sense).

Wow, I scrubbed that evil-Picard thing I guess. lol
Did they tell the doctor that Picard was a robot when he was injured?

Section 31 should be the laughingstock of the galaxy for anyone who's heard of them after it was revealed the head of Starfleet Intelligence was a Romulan spy, who'd been in the service since Data was discovered, personally sabotaged an android army and sent them on a terrorist attack that killed millions on the doorstep of the Federation capital and rendered an entire planet uninhabitable, and still no one realized until she ducked out for lunch early one day to assume personal, public command of a fleet of warbirds flying out to raze another planet.

Why even bother having an amoral, ultra-secret cabal unhindered by the rule of law if they're going to completely miss that Starfleet was basically co-opted by the Manchurian Candidate for fifteen years? The Oh scandal should've been 31's one big shot to prove the utility of rummaging through every Federation citizen's trash looking for disloyalty and sedition, interrogating on a whim and assassinating on suspicion is needed to preserve freedom and democracy and rokeg blood pie for the little people who believe ideals are real, but, instead, they didn't even notice the most spectacular crime of the millennium had occurred right under their noses for fifteen years. And Raffi, some rando analyst with the legitimate intelligence agency, had already figured half of it out for them!

Oh my god... I forgot all about what happened in S1 too. I guess if nothing else, the stupidity of Section 31 means it has completely lost its luster.
(Although I'm sure they're desperate to get the Yeoh show on)

There were at least 3 references to Picard being a synthetic in season 2.

1. Jurati told Picard he was looking positronic
2. Q refers to Picard's synthetic body in episode 2.2
3. Defibrillator sparked up when used on Picard. Implied to be because of Picard's synthetic body.

Ah, so they did. lol

 

[fireproof78]

Oh my god... I forgot all about what happened in S1 too. I guess if nothing else, the stupidity of Section 31 means it has completely lost its luster.
(Although I'm sure they're desperate to get the Yeoh show on)

Lost it's luster to whom? To me, Raffi's assignment makes it apparent that it could be really fun, especially with Yeoh on board. If S31 is considered "a laughing stock" then it works in their favor because no one will take them seriously and they can operate however they want. Far from taking the luster away it has made it that much more appealing.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Plus fertility treatments in the late 24th century probably make today's real world equivalents look like Flintstone vitamins.

It goes beyond that, really. Given what we can do NOW medically and with gerontology vs a century ago, I would expect human lifespans at the dawn of the 25th Century to be hundreds of years long if not more, if the genetic imperfections that result in aging itself hadn't been defeated. Trek, unfortunately, is forced to work within the lifespans and aging realities of its 20th/21st Century actors.