Spoilers Season 2 predictions/discussion thread

[valden]

No, his attitude is that he's in denial to himself about his own romantic feelings towards her because he's not ready to admit that he doesn't love T'Pring and made a terrible mistake in accepting her proposal.



I don't think that's clear actually. I don't think it's been explicitly established that he's second officer.



Why would she be "horrified" about a normal biological process for Vulcans? I mean, Christine clearly isn't some Victorian prude who thinks there's something sinful about sex before marriage.



So, as she has noted, is Spock.



You speak as though this were set in stone and not subject to change.



If Spock feels "weak" because he is falling in love with somebody, that speaks to Spock being messed up and needing therapy, not to it being "bad for Christine."

To be honest I don't think spock feels week. On second rewatch the love triangle feels very experimental than actual falling in love from spock pov
I think we are going to get a story where Tpring will tell spock to go sow his royal oates or for him to date other girls before he commits to her finally which will lead him to the arms of a willing Chapel and he will realise it was a big mistake. Reason spock never called off the engagement to tpring. Korby may be introduced to mend Chapel broken heart. Although watching snw with tos. Tpring should have called off the engagement a long time ago before amok time. Tpring and spock come off looking terrible since he never broke up with her and she only decided to break of with him when his pon far cycle came along. Chapel is almost kind of the innocent party here however a flaw on her part would have been that she got involved with a man who only got with her by default or because his fiance wanted to take a break. I have been watching the Crown on netflix and for some reason Chapel in snw reminds me of a young Princess diana. Getting involved with somebody who maybe could potentially love you but in the end his feelings becomes unrequited. which is the situation we see spock and chapel in with tos.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

No, his attitude is that he's in denial to himself about his own romantic feelings towards her because he's not ready to admit that he doesn't love T'Pring and made a terrible mistake in accepting her proposal.
Spock will, IMHO never take a mate for romantic feelings. He is practically a Vulcan Prince who seems to be in line to inherit Sarek's seat on the Vulcan High Council. It's like the House of Lords. Spock's bonding with T'Pring is a political match. They will be a power couple. Spock accepts this IMHO. He has stated that his strong emotions around Henner's death were "weakness." This is his attitude. These are his Vulcan feelings as well. Spock has been taught to despise having human DNA. Feelings will be acknowledged privately but never acted on publicly. If he slips up he will quickly correct himself.



I don't think that's clear actually. I don't think it's been explicitly established that he's second officer.
At some point in the future, I'm sure he hopes to be and move up. This places him in command at times and a relationship with her is inappropriate.



Why would she be "horrified" about a normal biological process for Vulcans? I mean, Christine clearly isn't some Victorian prude who thinks there's something sinful about sex before marriage.
She would be horrified because she has never heard of anything like this. Seeing Spock's condition in Amok Time it doesn't look to me like it would be terribly pleasant. Spock wouldn't even tell Kirk without threats. He isn't going to tell Christine, a prerequisite for any romantic relationship with her.



So, as she has noted, is Spock.
Spock IMHO does not wish any more human contamination to his psyche or his DNA. Yes, I think Spock is a snob. I know most fans think he's perfect. I disagree.



You speak as though this were set in stone and not subject to change.
They are just my opinions.



If Spock feels "weak" because he is falling in love with somebody, that speaks to Spock being messed up and needing therapy, not to it being "bad for Christine."

Isn't that what I said? He is messed up. Romantic love won't heal him. Relationships that spark off with people with severely messed up childhoods (Amanda hints that she was prevented from being a really human mother to her son), spark great passion but eventually seem to die. Spock has a huge mother wound, made worse by Michael leaving. He's literally in tears when she leaves. He's had one nervous breakdown and I predict that feelings for Christine will create another one, thus leading to him turning completely to his "Vulcan half." Just my opinion.

 

[Pauln6]

Isn't that what I said? He is messed up. Romantic love won't heal him. Relationships that spark off with people with severely messed up childhoods (Amanda hints that she was prevented from being a really human mother to her son), spark great passion but eventually seem to die. Spock has a huge mother wound, made worse by Michael leaving. He's literally in tears when she leaves. He's had one nervous breakdown and I predict that feelings for Christine will create another one, thus leading to him turning completely to his "Vulcan half." Just my opinion.

Yeah I think Spock overcompensates because he is paranoid about appearing too human until his epiphany in TMP. It's a shame. I never really thought that Chapel would have made a great foil for Spock until I saw the onscreen chemistry between Peck and Bush. Now I can see there was a missed opportunity, albeit one that would never have been realised with Chapel in cameo support roles.

I always fancied that it was Chapel hosting Spock's consciousness that sharpened up her career focus and led to her seeking more qualifications. I would have preferred her as a PhD rather than MD though to give more room to move out from McCoy's shadow.

 

[drt]

I don't find the backstories of Kalomi or Korby remarkable enough to spend time with on SNW. I'm OK if the timing on both ends up being retconned slightly so that they occured before the series started.

 

[HarpistforHim]

Didn't Christine have a crush on Spock in the Original Series, though? I like how they put that in with Chapel and Spock. As for future character cameos, I know it's quite illogical, but I would absolutely love to see a McCoy cameo in season two!

 

[ELCHawk]

I say more Chapel as this 47 year old has a major crush on her even though she is at least half my age. It is ok, my wife knows. She has a crush on Peck. Lol

 

[SimiOne]

I hope for a return to Majalis, with a solution to end the horrible practice to sacrifice children!

 

[Tuskin38]

I hope for a return to Majalis, with a solution to end the horrible practice to sacrifice children!

I doubt it, Prime Directive and all that, and if they do, Season 2 seems too soon.

 

[SimiOne]

I doubt it, Prime Directive and all that, and if they do, Season 2 seems too soon.

I mean a technical solution based on cooperation and not one that based on violence.
They do it because they think they have no choice and not because of religious fanaticism.

A progressive approach is what i expect from a Star Trek-Show ( especially the federation) and not the usual stuff.

 

[fireproof78]

I mean a technical solution based on cooperation and not one that based on violence.
They do it because they think they have no choice and not because of religious fanaticism.

A progressive approach is what i expect from a Star Trek-Show ( especially the federation) and not the usual stuff.

That doesn't change the application of the Prime Directive.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that maybe Una gets freed.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

According to articles I've read Chapel spends a great deal of time off the ship (Korby?). The Spock/Chapel thing "heats up" (whatever that means). T'Pring will be around. Jess Bush says season two is MUCH superior to season 1.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Things I Want to See In SNW S2:

• More Spock/Christine! Sorry, I'm a shipper. Ethan Peck and Jess Bush have entirely too much onscreen chemistry, canon be damned.
• Jess tells us they develop a very special bond season 2.
• Having said that, I want to see Christine get more stories that are not about her relationships with men or romantic relationships in general. Let's see more about her outside of her love life.
• More Erica! She's the only main character who hasn't gotten an episode of her own at this point. Also, Melissa Navia is awesome and we all need more of her in our lives.
• Generally, the women on this show need a bit more attention. Even though women outnumber men on the show, the men still got to have more episodes than the women. Pike got three, Spock got two, M'Benga got two; of the women, only La'an got more than one episode, and Erica got none. By my count, this is the breakdown on which character "got" which episode:
  • Pike - "Strange New Worlds," "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach," "A Quality of Mercy"
  • Una - "Ghosts of Illyria"
  • Spock - "Spock Amok," "The Serene Squall"
  • Christine - "The Serene Squall"
  • La'an - "Momento Mori," "All Those Who Wander"
  • M'Benga - "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach," "The Elysian Kingdom"
  • Nyota - "Children of the Comet"
  • Hemmer - "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach"
  • Erica - none
• Generally, this show is also kind of hetero-normative. Let's see some more queer representation on the show!
• NO! That's Discovery. Go watch that.
• Speaking of which: We need to see the return of Captain Angel! They were awesome!
• And we need to see some payoff for that Sybok tease.
• We will see just how dangerous Sybok really is.
• Also SNW needs to give more attention to its POC characters. It's great that M'Benga and La'an got two episodes. But Nyota only got one, and Erica got none. White or white-coded characters got eight episodes while POC characters got five. Let's make this show less white-centric.
• Agreed. We need characters from around our planet.
• Generally, I hope we see a little bit more serialization next year. Not full-out DIS-style, but something more like Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Doctor Who under Russell T. Davies -- episodic stories with a serialized subplot playing out in the background that then takes over for the season finale. I think that's the best mix of episodic and serialization.
• I really hope we get to see the return of Chancellor L'Rell and Ash Tyler from DIS. I want to see how Section 31 went from an officially-sanctioned division of Starfleet to an illegal conspiracy, and I want to see more of L'Rell cos Mary Chieffo is just amazing.
• Honestly I'd love to see SNW develop the Tellarites more. They're the only founding Federation Members that are still almost completely blank slates.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that maybe Una gets freed.

Crazy talk! Tell it to your YouTube channel.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Yeah I think Spock overcompensates because he is paranoid about appearing too human until his epiphany in TMP. It's a shame. I never really thought that Chapel would have made a great foil for Spock until I saw the onscreen chemistry between Peck and Bush. Now I can see there was a missed opportunity, albeit one that would never have been realised with Chapel in cameo support roles.

I always fancied that it was Chapel hosting Spock's consciousness that sharpened up her career focus and led to her seeking more qualifications. I would have preferred her as a PhD rather than MD though to give more room to move out from McCoy's shadow.

Actually according to Majel Barret Chapel in TOS WAS a PHD. She took a cut in rank and pay to join the five year mission to look for Korby. Notice that Chapel was tapped to work on the Nomad situation. "Just a nurse" wouldn't do that.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

To be honest I don't think spock feels week. On second rewatch the love triangle feels very experimental than actual falling in love from spock pov
I think we are going to get a story where Tpring will tell spock to go sow his royal oates or for him to date other girls before he commits to her finally which will lead him to the arms of a willing Chapel and he will realise it was a big mistake. Reason spock never called off the engagement to tpring. Korby may be introduced to mend Chapel broken heart. Although watching snw with tos. Tpring should have called off the engagement a long time ago before amok time. Tpring and spock come off looking terrible since he never broke up with her and she only decided to break of with him when his pon far cycle came along. Chapel is almost kind of the innocent party here however a flaw on her part would have been that she got involved with a man who only got with her by default or because his fiance wanted to take a break. I have been watching the Crown on netflix and for some reason Chapel in snw reminds me of a young Princess diana. Getting involved with somebody who maybe could potentially love you but in the end his feelings becomes unrequited. which is the situation we see spock and chapel in with tos.

Actually in SNW it is Chapel calling a halt when Spock hurries down to sickbay to find out about her feelings. We don't know yet what happens between Spock and T'pring. My hypothesis is that he marries her officially at some point along the way. He calls her his wife. This new Chapel does not give the slightest indication that she is going to be bed buddies with Spock to sow his "wild oats" Not a bit. Chapel IMHO will NOT be willling. She is fighting it hard because Spock is deep down rather screwed up and you know those Star Fleet men, they date you on the mission and then disappear.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Actually in SNW it is Chapel calling a halt when Spock hurries down to sickbay to find out about her feelings. We don't know yet what happens between Spock and T'pring. My hypothesis is that he marries her officially at some point along the way. He calls her his wife. This new Chapel does not give the slightest indication that she is going to be bed buddies with Spock to sow his "wild oats" Not a bit. Chapel IMHO will NOT be willling. She is fighting it hard because Spock is deep down rather screwed up and you know those Star Fleet men, they date you on the mission and then disappear.

That assumes that T’Pring a) does not observe that Spock is screwed up deep down, and b) will think the same way as Chapel in putting a halt to a Spock-Chapel romance. Which she might not. Vulcan morality is different from human morality, after all.

 

[fireproof78]

That assumes that T’Pring a) does not observe that Spock is screwed up deep down, and b) will think the same way as Chapel in putting a halt to a Spock-Chapel romance. Which she might not. Vulcan morality is different from human morality, after all.

Indeed. But, more than that, I think that T'Pring will become more and more distant just due to Spock's adventuring out on the Enterprise. Not too dissimilar to people who grow apart when real life situations take them separate directions, despite the great wish to remain connected. Spock's travels couldn't help up but impact him, especially as he tries to adhere to the Vulcan way, yet still not fully Vulcan.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

That assumes that T’Pring a) does not observe that Spock is screwed up deep down, and b) will think the same way as Chapel in putting a halt to a Spock-Chapel romance. Which she might not. Vulcan morality is different from human morality, after all.

Respectfully, T"Pring is not in control of what Christine allows.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

Sarek really screwed up everyone in his entire family, didn't he?