They should have said Deep Space 5 instead of Deep Space 4! smh
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x01 - "The Next Generation"
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They should have said Deep Space 5 instead of Deep Space 4! smh
The posters say it's celebration the 250th Anniversary of Starfleet.
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1626627786956734479
Have you met Starfleet? More that a few Captains with mental problems.
Mostly in Kirk's day. Not many in tng.
I thought this was a promising beginning. I'm cautiously optimistic. I thought the very first episode of Picard wasn't bad, and the first episode of season two was excellent. But I'm staying wary about even Matalas's ability to make a consistently entertaining season of this series.
This was a table setting episode. The pace was a little slow, but I was okay with that because it was acclimating the audience to the new status quo. It was giving us a chance to slow down, breathe, and get reacquainted with some old friends. I do think the opening was too chock full of Easter Eggs, but I'm hoping that there's a point to all that and it will factor into the larger story.
I liked the production values a lot so far, and this looks better than the first two seasons already. Perhaps it's just the setting on a starship again and the more classic Trek music doesn't hurt either. So far, I'm liking where the characters are. I'm also really liking the tidbits we got with the Picard logs and even in the closing credits, not to mention the dialogue. Seeing Raffi's birthdate and some of her backstory on that screen helps fill in some blanks.
There were some things I took issue with:
-I wasn't cool with Crusher just ashing people like she's Blade, however, CBS Trek (and Picard in particular) have already established that darker, violent tone. I did like her Wrath of Khan-like jacket.
-Why didn't Crusher reach out to Riker or another Enterprise-D crew member who would know what the message was about? Picard was Locutus at the time, so why reach out to him? I can assume she did it perhaps so he would get the band back together, but that doesn't make much sense organically to me. She could've reached out to Riker and he then goes to Picard, though it's less dramatic that way.
-I thought it took a moment for Frakes to become Riker again. At first it felt more like he was just himself, and then he became Riker. I do appreciate the friendship that has developed between Riker and Picard, though it does feel a little too TOS; they weren't really lovable scamps on TNG like that. Perhaps one could say they were more rule breaking in the TNG movies though. I did like when Riker barked at Seven to respect Picard, and that felt very much in character.
-Why didn't Riker and Picard just take a shuttle from the starbase? Or hire a ship to take them there? Mentioning and then dismissing the La Sirena as an option would've been nice to hear in the dialogue. There are no friendly captains close by that don't owe Riker or Picard a favor? So, them coming up with a ruse for attempting to trick the Titan captain was very much TOS Star Trek 3, but it was not TNG.
-Why would Starfleet not let Seven of Nine keep the name she preferred? I see that she's trying to adjust, and apparently she's going along with Shaw for her own reasons, but it does feel strange to me that Starfleet would let Shaw make that demand and stand by it. I know there's the history with the Borg, but due to Seven's role on Voyager and what she's done on ST: Picard, plus with Janeway being a friend, that she would have some weight to throw around. That said, Jeri Ryan is doing a good job with the angst she's carrying.
-I had more of an issue with Shaw's disrespect until he explained that Picard was retired, and Riker didn't have a command, so I got more of why he treated both so shabbily, that is if he had a bone to pick with them for whatever reason. I'm guessing he was at Wolf 359 or the First Contact battle with the Borg. With him having an engineering background and not fond of Picard, it feels like they are nodding to the "Emissary"-era Commander Sisko with Shaw.
This was a table setting episode. The pace was a little slow, but I was okay with that because it was acclimating the audience to the new status quo. It was giving us a chance to slow down, breathe, and get reacquainted with some old friends. I do think the opening was too chock full of Easter Eggs, but I'm hoping that there's a point to all that and it will factor into the larger story.
I liked the production values a lot so far, and this looks better than the first two seasons already. Perhaps it's just the setting on a starship again and the more classic Trek music doesn't hurt either. So far, I'm liking where the characters are. I'm also really liking the tidbits we got with the Picard logs and even in the closing credits, not to mention the dialogue. Seeing Raffi's birthdate and some of her backstory on that screen helps fill in some blanks.
There were some things I took issue with:
-I wasn't cool with Crusher just ashing people like she's Blade, however, CBS Trek (and Picard in particular) have already established that darker, violent tone. I did like her Wrath of Khan-like jacket.
-Why didn't Crusher reach out to Riker or another Enterprise-D crew member who would know what the message was about? Picard was Locutus at the time, so why reach out to him? I can assume she did it perhaps so he would get the band back together, but that doesn't make much sense organically to me. She could've reached out to Riker and he then goes to Picard, though it's less dramatic that way.
-I thought it took a moment for Frakes to become Riker again. At first it felt more like he was just himself, and then he became Riker. I do appreciate the friendship that has developed between Riker and Picard, though it does feel a little too TOS; they weren't really lovable scamps on TNG like that. Perhaps one could say they were more rule breaking in the TNG movies though. I did like when Riker barked at Seven to respect Picard, and that felt very much in character.
-Why didn't Riker and Picard just take a shuttle from the starbase? Or hire a ship to take them there? Mentioning and then dismissing the La Sirena as an option would've been nice to hear in the dialogue. There are no friendly captains close by that don't owe Riker or Picard a favor? So, them coming up with a ruse for attempting to trick the Titan captain was very much TOS Star Trek 3, but it was not TNG.
-Why would Starfleet not let Seven of Nine keep the name she preferred? I see that she's trying to adjust, and apparently she's going along with Shaw for her own reasons, but it does feel strange to me that Starfleet would let Shaw make that demand and stand by it. I know there's the history with the Borg, but due to Seven's role on Voyager and what she's done on ST: Picard, plus with Janeway being a friend, that she would have some weight to throw around. That said, Jeri Ryan is doing a good job with the angst she's carrying.
-I had more of an issue with Shaw's disrespect until he explained that Picard was retired, and Riker didn't have a command, so I got more of why he treated both so shabbily, that is if he had a bone to pick with them for whatever reason. I'm guessing he was at Wolf 359 or the First Contact battle with the Borg. With him having an engineering background and not fond of Picard, it feels like they are nodding to the "Emissary"-era Commander Sisko with Shaw.
It was her Captain that forced her not Starfleet.
I'm pretty sure they'll have a reason later in the season. And remember Riker analysing the remains saying they were odd.
It would involve a story about what happens when great nations fall but what we tend to get now is x is ys mother/son/lover/Brent Spiner. Think DS9s the circle but what we will get instead is Picards son and Picards former maid who is seeking revenge because she got sacked by Laris or something.
I suppose I am being a little mean. Picard s1 explored the Romulans and XBs which was great but the rest of the live action has been tedious and terribly small universe.
Admiral Kennerly.
Admiral Pressman.
Admiral Leyton.
Admiral Jameson.
Captain Maddox.
Admiral Doughtery.
That's just off the top of my head.
Seven didn't have to accept that from Shaw though. Especially if she's friends with Janeway and Picard. She has friends in higher places, but she shouldn't even need them to push back against Shaw. I accept this as her trying to compromise and make adjustments, but we see she is chafing under them. I also see this as the series wanting to make Shaw especially ass holey. It will be interesting to see if he gets some kind of redemption like his 12 Monkeys character did. Right now, I'm not seeing it, but I didn't see it for the 12 Monkeys guy either.
They were all promoted to admiral by TNG
Which is pretty normal, especially with someone with a personality like Shaw's. Why would Seven run to Janeway and Picard? Shaw has his ship and runs it his way, and they are not necessarily in his chain of command. If Seven has concerns then I would imagine it would be appropriate to move it to Shaw's superior.
I disagree with you a little here. Season 1 touched on, I wouldn't call it explored the Romulans and xBs. Instead of those two interesting storylines, they went with the retread evil robots trope. I don't get why they thought that would be more interesting, especially to Trek fans instead of really exploring what happened with the Romulans or even the former Borg. Granted, they might have been aiming for a larger audience and thought the Synth story would connect with them, be less inside baseball as it were. Plus, it allowed for them to keep the focus on Data, and Data and Picard. I think this focus on Data and Picard is a holdover from the TNG movies, and not one I thought was great for TNG as a whole.
Regarding Seven's naming, I think this could fall under the discrimination or hostile work environment. Starfleet has been iffy about personal expression to be fair. Worf got to wear his baldric while Riker made Ro take off her earring. I'm not sure if Riker made a stink about that due to his personal animus or not, but there were regulations that backed him up, or else Ro wouldn't thrown it back in his face. Shaw is a captain, but he's not a dictator. He mentioned his superiors himself, so he knows he has rules to follow.
Interesting. Then we have two really interesting dates.
If it's Earth Starfleet that was founded circa 2135 making the date 2385 - which isn't the 25th century, and earlier than Picard S1.
If it's the Federation Starfleet - that was founded 2161 (Same year as the Federation Starfleet Academy and whose emblem included a founding date, and was seen onscreen in the TNG S5 episode The First Duty.)
So, that would place Picard S3 in 2411.
(Interestingly enough that's the current year for the Star Trek MMO - Star Trek Online as well.
)IDK - I still think that Terry Matalas may be conflating the launch year of the NX-01 as also the founding date of Starfleet, and still has Picard S3 set in 2401.
Guess we won't know for certain unless some character (or display screen shows a 'current date'.)
Mike and Rich Evans from RLM..... Ohhhh... That's going to be a tough one. They dig into Picard S2 deeper than I was willing to..
I was wondering why Picard didn’t k ow about the virus incident.
They said it happened during BoBW.
I would assume a virus messing with the ship’s navigation systems during that crisis would be mentioned in the logs which Picard would have read for sure.
Then again, it was probably a miniscule detail from decades ago and Picard is suffering from memory problems.
The odd thing here is that Riker would have been surprised if Picard were aware of the issue.
Then again, he was the one writing the reports and must have left that detail out for some reason.
Or he issued everything directly to Starfleet while Picard was recuperating and Picard just got the cliffnote version.
Or maybe the virus was just an ill timed practical joke by one of the gifted kids on board.
Adding 3s to every listed coordinate seems rather benign for a sabotage attempt by the Borg.
And it seemed to be relatively easy to catch and clean up if it wasn’t even mentioned during the rest of the events on screen.
They said it happened during BoBW.
I would assume a virus messing with the ship’s navigation systems during that crisis would be mentioned in the logs which Picard would have read for sure.
Then again, it was probably a miniscule detail from decades ago and Picard is suffering from memory problems.
The odd thing here is that Riker would have been surprised if Picard were aware of the issue.
Then again, he was the one writing the reports and must have left that detail out for some reason.
Or he issued everything directly to Starfleet while Picard was recuperating and Picard just got the cliffnote version.
Or maybe the virus was just an ill timed practical joke by one of the gifted kids on board.
Adding 3s to every listed coordinate seems rather benign for a sabotage attempt by the Borg.
And it seemed to be relatively easy to catch and clean up if it wasn’t even mentioned during the rest of the events on screen.
I think they probably ommitted the detail in case someone else could learn about the virus and replicate it. That or Riker falsified a log entry before Picard resumed command.
Captain Sulu can't have been the only Starfleet Captain to casually falsify their logs.
Captain Sulu can't have been the only Starfleet Captain to casually falsify their logs.
Again, what are you talking about? There is no indication whatsoever that he never talked to Robert about Yvette. We only ever saw Robert in a single episode, and they spent most of that episode fighting each other as a result of emotional abuse inflicted upon them by their father. There's no indication whatsoever that they never talked about Yvette's death.
I'm pretty sure that her service as (apparently) a civilian consultant aboard the USS Voyager and her time in the Fenris Rangers were considered as sufficient command experience to warrant receiving an officer's commission in Starfleet without needing to go through the Academy or rise through the junior ranks. Similar to how Kira was directly commissioned into the Bajoran Militia as a major without having to be a second lieutenant, first lieutenant, or captain first. Probably Seven was directly commissioned as either a commander, or directly commissioned as a lieutenant command and then earned promotion to commander.
Agreed.
That's the cover story she was giving the Orion dealer in her undercover work for Starfleet Intelligence. There is no indication that she was actually dishonorably discharged or that Seven and she have actually broken up. (Which doesn't mean they haven't broken up -- it means we don't know.)
Nah. One-episode-a-week has proven much better at keeping up public interest and viewing numbers for shows than mass-release. Mass-release has also led to extremely unhealthy pressure on streamers to only evaluate how well a show does in the first week or so of release instead of giving it time to find its audience.
Caught what? What exactly is it you think they should have caught? That he has problems with intimacy and commitment? Every single one of his friends probably could have told you that; I could have told you that just from watching TNG. That his mother committed suicide? That's a matter of public record. That he had unresolved trauma from discovering his mother's body and blaming himself for her death? His counselors probably knew that but it's hardly grounds for dismissal from Starfleet, especially if it never interfered with the performance of his duties (which was always exemplary).
You're looking for an implausibility here that just doesn't exist.
To go along with analogizing this with the trans world... So?
If she doesn't identify with the Hansen family anymore, so what? Should she remain uncomfortable with her life because some relative(s) she's never met or remember don't like her rejecting the family name? Pffft. Get lost on that. She should do what makes HER comfortable.
BREAKING NEWS as they say...
I had the same theory, earlier in this looooong thread.
Red Letter Media want to live in an alternate universe where the 90's lasted another twenty years and Rick Berman produced another 10 seasons of TNG, DS9, and VOY. They'll never be happy with latest iterations of Star Trek because they want a version of Star Trek that is impossible to make with our laws of physics and time.
