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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

It is unlikely DCEU fans will ever think of Berlanti TV series as anything to compare the films to, if they watched the Berlanti stuff at all.
As probably one of the biggest Arrowverse fans on the boards, I definitely will, and for me so far, most of the time the Arrowverse comes out on top.

I'm currently undecided on how I feel about The Flash and Shazam! Fury of the Gods because I'm torn between continuing to support the MoS Shared Continuity Universe to its conclusion or just bowing out now since we already know that it's a narrative dead end.
From everything I've seen and read so far, it sounds like these last three movies are fairly independent of each other, so there really isn't any combined narrative to dead end.
My uncertainty about investing time and energy into something that will ultimately have no payoff is a universal conundrum that applies to more than just the MoS SCU.

It's the reason why I haven't rewatched the BSG spinoff Caprica, watched the B5 spinoff Crusade, finished GLOW, watched the live-action Cowboy Bebop or WinX series, or bought Batwoman Season 3 or Legends of Tomorrow Season 7.

Unfinished stories or stories that I know ultimately won't have sufficient conclusions hold little appeal for me in general.
Since these movies aren't telling any kind of combined arc, each one should have it's own sufficient conclusion.
 
^ This. The Flash had major arc before COIE or Flashpoint. If there's an issue, it rests with filmmakers never adapting any of the named Silver and Bronze Age arcs.

I'm sure there were great arcs in the Wally years too, but I wasn't reading the Flash back then.
 
I saw Justice League: Doom (2012 animated film) for the first time. It is thrilling to watch, and I'd recommend it to any DC fan about 10 years or older.
 
I saw Justice League: Doom (2012 animated film) for the first time. It is thrilling to watch, and I'd recommend it to any DC fan about 10 years or older.
It's one of my favorites in all the WB DC animated offerings, along with Batman: Under the Red Hood.
 
On the rumour that Gunn 'debunked' which was that we'd see a former Batman and that would be the DC universe's new batman

There are reports they are true to an extent, but Grace Randolph misjudged the significance of them.

The latest reshoot ends the film on a cliff-hanger, with Barry realizing he hasn't reached home, it's like the whole premise of Sliders, and this is how they're writing Barry out, as he's lost in the multiverse, George Clooney in a scene where Bruce meets with Barry at the courthouse and that's when Barry realizes he's lost

Clooney isn't Gunn's Batman going forward, it's just a fun cameo that informs us of the last major development for Ezra
 
I consider myself a DCEU fan, and I enjoyed most of Berlanti's DC TV, including Grant Gustin's Barry Allen.

The jewel of CW/DC productions was Black Lightning (which Berlanti had little to do with), with the 1st season of Batwoman coming in 2nd place. If i'm feeling generous, I can give a nod to 1st season of Supergirl, but that's it.

As probably one of the biggest Arrowverse fans on the boards, I definitely will, and for me so far, most of the time the Arrowverse comes out on top.

Minority opinion, I'd imagine.

From everything I've seen and read so far, it sounds like these last three movies are fairly independent of each other, so there really isn't any combined narrative to dead end.

Affleck's Batman appears in A2, and I find it hard to believe he or Aquaman--at the very least--will not say something about Barry's actions.

As soon as I saw that name I should have backed out.

Indeed.
 
Minority opinion, I'd imagine.
I doubt it, the Arrowverse has lasted longer, had more productions by far, and based on Metacritic's ratings has been more successful critically, and based on IMDB ratings have been more popular with the fans. So in pretty much everyway you can judge the success of a franchise, the Arrowverse comes out on top pretty consistently.
 
One, they're very different animals, despite both being based on DC superheroes. Big budget movies versus relatively low budget TV series, along with the different storytelling approaches that accompany the two media.

Two, they've both had their successes and failures, better movies and worse movies, better and worse series/seasons.

I've enjoyed much in both universes, and there's really no reason to frame it as a competition, unless one has an axe to grind.
 
Jenna Busch of SlashFilm attended a press conference held by Gunn & Safran where they revealed some tonal details of "Superman: Legacy" and the portrayal of Superman's character in the DCU, and I love what I'm reading.

Peter Safran said:
It's not an origin story. It focuses on Superman balancing his Kryptonian heritage with his human upbringing. Superman represents truth, justice, and the American way. He is kindness in a world that thinks of kindness as old-fashioned.

James Gunn said:
We want to take it away from 'good guy versus bad guy.' There are almost saintly people [in the DC Universe]; Superman is among them. There are really terrible villains like Gorilla Grodd or Joker. And then there is everybody in-between, so there are all these shades of gray of these different character types which allow us to tell more complex stories.

...

I really love the idea of Superman. He's a big ol' galoot. He's a farmboy from Kansas who's very idealistic. His greatest weakness is that he'll never kill anybody. He doesn't want to hurt a living soul. I like that sort of innate goodness about Superman; it's his defining characteristic. He's not "All-Star Superman," but again, I'm a huge fan of "All-Star Superman," and I'm very inspired by [that series].

They also said that they hope Gunn will be able to direct "Superman: Legacy".
 
Jenna Busch of SlashFilm attended a press conference held by Gunn & Safran where they revealed some tonal details of "Superman: Legacy" and the portrayal of Superman's character in the DCU, and I love what I'm reading.





They also said that they hope Gunn will be able to direct "Superman: Legacy".
I've seen those quotes, and I'm down with most of what Gunn says, except I'm not crazy about the word "galoot." It calls to mind something like Li'l Abner, and that's not Superman. Hope Gunn doesn't overcompensate and cross the line from farmboy to hayseed.

OTOH, this guy does look kind of like a "big ol' galoot," and it's one of my favorite portrayals of Clark ever:
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That small misgiving aside, I remain excited and optimistic about Superman: Legacy. :techman:
 
I don't want an 'old-fashioned 1950s man living in the 21st Century' Superman, and I suspect that most general audience viewers won't either.
 
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