Planet Talos?

[James Wright]

Is it possible for the planet Talos to join the Federation?
What do you think happened to the Talosians in the 2290's and beyond, if Vina & Pike had children would they have to remain on Talos forever or would they be allowed to leave and maybe join Starfleet?

JDW

 

[Kelso]

Are Pike and Vina still capable of reproduction?

 

[TIN_MAN]

Well, we would assume that the Talosians would have some sort of artificial conception/gestation technology that would allow for children. After all, wasn't this the whole point of wanting Pike back? As for joining the federation, I guess it would be treated like any other independent human colony, so sure, why not?

 

[A beaker full of death]

Is it possible for the planet Talos to join the Federation?

JDW

Talos is a star, not a planet.

 

[Wingsley]

The premise of "The Menagerie" was that the inhabitants of Talos IV were struggling to survive; their gene pool needed "fresh blood" or they would be "condemned to extinction".

Pike and Vina are both victims of profound injuries, which would likely limit their lifespans.

What these two issues would mean for the humans and aliens of Talos IV is anybody's guess. If the telepaths are doomed, how soon would they die off? If they already refused a relationship after Pike's offer, does that mean they already decided it was hopeless?

http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Talosian

 

[Maurice]

I always thought that the Talosian relized humans were useless to them as slave labor, but since they still enjoy living the emotions and experiences of others, it was a sort of win-win-win, not motivated by ideas of a race of slaves. Pike gets to live a life free of his crippled body, Vina gets her love, and the Talosians get to experience everything they do.

 

[James Wright]

When Vina showed Pike her true appearance and said the Talosians put her back together and that everything still worked must mean she was still able to have children.
It depends on the extent of Pike's injuries!

JDW

 

[EnsignRicky]

Beep.......Beeeep

 

[Nebusj]

Pike and Vina are both victims of profound injuries, which would likely limit their lifespans.

Vina was an adult member of the SS Columbia's original expedition, which was approximately 18 years prior to the events of ``The Cage''. And the events of ``The cage'' were 11 years prior to the events of ``The Menagerie''.

If she were a mere undergraduate at the time of Columbia setting out -- say, twenty years old -- then she'd be at least 49 years old; if she was a professional before the expedition started she could easily be as much as twenty to thirty years older. At her youngest possible age Vina is just barely short of average menopause age; she could quite easily be past what's currently regarded as very late menopause.

That age limit may well stretch upward over the next few centuries, but I would bet against their being able to have a child without considerable external medical support.

 

[UnknownSample]

I agree with Ensign Ricky. Beep.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

That age limit may well stretch upward over the next few centuries, but I would bet against their being able to have a child without considerable external medical support.

In second DC Comics Star Trek series (Issue 61) there was a story called Door in the Cage in which Captain Spock returned to Talos IV to check on Pike. It was revealed that he and Vina had conceived a son--Philip Pike--and if I remember right they had to use Talosian technology to initiate the pregnancy.

 

[Timo]

It seems the Talosian method of luring in victims for their experiments wasn't too effective. Later Trek establishes that space is teeming with travelers, yet the best Talosians could ever do was one badly injured human female plus random specimen of species or cultures that for some reason or another were unsuited for their purposes.

Thus, if the Talosians willingly gave up on Pike (and perhaps far more importantly, Number One and Colt), one could surmise they really had abandoned all hope. Or alternatively, they had already achieved their goals and were playing make-believe. Even if we don't assume that Pike's original release was a mere illusion (and "The Menagerie" tries to argue that "The Cage" happened the way the audience saw it), and that Number One and Colt were really released as well, the Talosians might have clandestinely extracted from their new captives the biological components they needed for the servant species.

They didn't strike me as technologically savvy enough to bioengineer anything, though. A likelier scenario would be that they gave up on Pike in "The Cage" because they had a contingency plan going where a bunch of Talosians would come aboard Pike's ship unnoticed and take over the universe from there. For all we know, they then succeeded in that plan.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Triskelion]

The 7th directive of Starfleet said that visiting the planet was punishable by death. However that directive has been abrogated. Does anyone know why?

I still think it's doubtful it would be welcomed into the Federation. A case of not wishing to emulate so much power without the skill to manage it.

 

[Timo]

General Order 7 did cover the case of Talos IV with a death penalty, but we don't know if GO7 really only consisted of the Talos death penalty or perhaps was a broader rule.

If the death penalty was originally set because Starfleet feared the mental powers of the Talosians, then Kirk's involuntary visit to the planet in "The Menagerie" should have dispelled most of those fears. The Talosians had control of an entire starship and, worse still, had been in a position to secure that control at an important starbase. They could easily have taken over half of Starfleet. The fact that they didn't should speak for their belevolence, or laziness, or whatever, and should make them less of a threat.

Of course, if the Talosians wanted to get into the Federation, they would.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Triskelion]

But the Talosians almost destroyed their entire race along with their civilization. I just interpreted the 7th order as the Fed trying to avoid that fate.