I do not think DSC gets made if the Kelvinverse films had not been successful.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I do not think DSC gets made if the Kelvinverse films had not been successful.
The bottom third is not the same as no third. And I can't respect people like that.
Those I disagree with, but that's as far as it goes. Unless they cop an attitude. Then I don't have an issue with their complaints, I have an issue with their attitude.
But it's not the primary or secondary reasons I see most frequently. So, it may be out there, but it's in the noise.
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Please don’t import that stuff to this forum.
Okay.
Yeah, I kinda hated DSC so I stopped watching. Man, I liked PIC S2, the first two eps. Then — as we say up here in da yoop (Upper Peninsula of MI) — Holy wuh! But I don’t frequent their forums, or even really think about ‘em till somebody thinks em up
So, I’m pretty sure I want things to succeed, then see how they do.
Oh, and PRO might now be my second fave Trek show evah.
So, I’m pretty sure I want things to succeed, then see how they do.
Oh, and PRO might now be my second fave Trek show evah.
I am keen for a Section 31 based show. I really am and I like spy stuff in general so I'm down with that.
The only Section 31 material I'd like to see...is its destruction.
Those who want a Trek spy show, let it be Starfleet Intelligence. They're the only legitimate "spy" organization Starfleet has.
If Starfleet Intelligence can't get it done, it doesn't deserve to get done.
I don't think the idea that the ST fanbase is large enough to pour a lot of resources and advertising into a streaming revival is fundamentally verifiable if there is no ST09 or if ST09 bombs. I think you're understating just how small the fanbase had gotten by 2005 and how long it had been shrinking and shrinking and shrinking. If ST09 and its sequels aren't there to prove there's still an audience for ST, I think it's just as likely Paramount looks at streaming and says, "We'll try making our own, but let's hedge our bets and not pour too much into it."
Ok. Hopefully the show shows it's being undone. This isn't about deserved. It's about intrigue and interest and the line of moral grayness. That's what intrigues me more that the strict black and white.
I'm keen to see this gray area of Star Trek, and perhaps a little more out on the frontier.
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I'm in for a Star Trek spy show only if it stars Bashir and Garak
Whereas I'm very jaded and find it comforting in a twisted way that Starfleet and the Federation aren't anywhere near as high minded as they pretend to be. Real life doesn't work like that and neither does Star Trek's.
I don't know how much of it has to do with how dark a place I was in for the last several years, but "NuTrek" optimism has been a literal lifeline for me. I've seen stories of overcoming, of redemption, of making one's own way against the odds. DSC, PIC, PRO, SNW, and even LD have reminded me why I loved Star Trek in the first place and have gradually rebuilt my hope that humanity will survive and that we deserve to. They've helped me come back from a place of cynicism to where I'm willing to have hope again. And yes, inspire me to work towards that future.
My $0.02.
I have been on both sides of this. I don't think Trek got more cynical or less optimistic but that it became more honest about the realities of conflict and that humanity was not just going to "evolve" in the 24th century, even with newer tech. We have seen that newer tech is a double edged sword that it alloys for easier connectivity but struggles with personal care, or feeling more overwhelmed with data. Human behavior, to quote ENT, is pretty stubborn and not going to change over night.
And that for me is the more positive aspect. It isn't that Trek gives me optimism. It reminds me of the resiliency of the human race.
Pop culture representation is not wokeness.
PRO might be aimed at a younger audience, but it is pure Trek.
That's all anyone has to do if they don't like something.
That's all anyone gets to do if they don't like something.
It's probably like killing a hydra.
As a team? Or as... something else?
I mean, you could do a show about Starfleet Intelligence doing shady things instead of a show about Section 31, and at least then the show would not actively be idolizing the idea of a spy agency that's above the law, does whatever it wants, and answers to no one. I'd much rather see a show that examines the morally ambiguous side of espionage but which at least always depicts that agency as answerable to the democratic state. Idolizing Section 31 is an implicit attack against democracy itself.
Thank you for sharing. A living refutation against the idea that modern Star Trek lacks for hope and optimism.
Utopia is not a location to arrive at, but rather an ideal to constantly strive for.
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