The Captain Proton stuff I can live with. Most of the rest...well, let's just say Geordi and Barclay ran more interesting holodeck programs.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I was thoroughly enjoying it up until the moment Spock shouted “KHAAANNN!!” Which not only jolted me out of the movie but immediately turned it to complete trash and left a bad taste in my mouth forevermore.
Dont forget Let He Who Is Without Sin!
Obviously, I did. Good catch.
Since we're in the controversial opinions thread, Beyond is my favorite Trek film period. And it's not even a little bit close.
I would also take Beyond over any episode of ENT or VOY and at least half of TNG.
Agreed – especially as Justin Lin seemed to think it was something new and daring that had never been attempted before. "We're going to shake up Star Trek! We're going to blow up the Enterprise!" ...Dude, it's almost a bigger shock if you don't blow up the Enterprise at this point.
I agree with this. I was not invested in that ship or crew at all, but the effects of the Abramsprise's destruction were top notch, and what I absolutely loved was that the ship didn't go down in a single punch. Too often, particularly in the Berman era, Star Trek ships are presented as having something of a glass jaw. The Abramsprise and her crew fought and fought and fought until there was literally nothing left. If the Enterprise-D had gone down like that I'd remember her destruction a lot more fondly than I do.
They consciously turned away from it the moment they realised they couldn't do saucer separation without utterly destroying the pacing of an episode. Which sucked – all those times Picard went into the Neutral Zone with the saucer still cheerfully attached, I assume they didn't want to do an off-screen separation so as not to confuse the casual viewer. But there's so many episodes where it should have been an option and it's not even considered, to the point that you have to question Picard's judgement sometimes. Like TNG: "Pegasus", where the Enterprise goes inside an asteroid, and Picard is worried that she might get stuck because of how narrow the passage is getting – well, Jean-Luc, you know what would make the Enterprise much less wide, don't you?
I think this is because The Search For Spock works as the end of Star Trek. It's hard to forget from our lofty position today of god knows how many series and movies later, but at the time it was made it kind of was. Kirk sacrifices his ship and his career for friends and family; there was no TNG on the horizon at that point; there was no guarantee there'd be another film. Boom, that's it. And honestly, if Star Trek had to end at that point, TSFS absolutely nails it as a coda. That final scene of the crew rushing to embrace Spock is one of the most heartwarming moments in the entire franchise. The Enterprise-A works precisely because it wasn't expected, it didn't have to happen, there was no precedent for it happening, and it didn't happen straight away. In real world terms there's a gap of two years between the destruction of the 1701 and the launch of the 1701-A.
(I still think the Excelsior should have been renamed the Enterprise-A though, rather than it being another identical Constitution-class ship. But that's a whole other argument...)
Yes. Finally someone else said it. The number of times saucer separation should have been done, and surprised it wasn't mandated in the regulations in some situations considering there are a LOT of civilians onboard what is really a military ship no matter how you slice it.
I guess they don't want to erase the novelty of it, when they do use it. It might have been more interesting to see two ships that occasionally became one.
It works very well with Kirk's character arc in the trilogy.
But it's not a novelty. It's an essential feature that in some situations should have been mandated
I meant the visual novelty. Although they need not always show it, just order it to be done.
Or yeah for sure I agree, seeing it on screen was a bit of a novelty considering how few times they actually did it, but that was due to effects budget and all that.
OMG was that all actual model work when they did seperation? I thought it was CG
Probably not in 1987. Pixels were the size of bricks back then.
Those 'miniatures' were big and not cheap to make.
Beyond is my favourite film.
Originally they made 2 filming models, a 6-foot and a 2-foot, then they made a 4-foot after season 2. Only the 6-foot separated, and it was difficult to work with.
After the four-foot was made, it proved far cheaper to use than switching between the 2 and 6 foot ones.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Galaxy_class_model has far more fascinating information, including the models they built for use in Cause and Effect and The Jem Hadar
Talking about miniature models, I’ve always had a complaint with TNG and the newer Enterprise D model they often used from season 3 onwards. The original 6 foot model was sublime and looked like a vast and incredible city in space, but the newer one they used, which had more pronounced grooves and detailing just looked like a plastic kit model. It’s especially noticeable now we have the show rendered in HD. Is that a controversial statement, I don’t know?
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