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The hideously racist way Starfleet treated Dal

Star Treks once positive and inspiring future is doomed to a bleak and dystopian intergalactic ‘mad max’ like post apocalyptical generic science fiction series future, Discovery season 4 has shown this. Star Trek: Picard has shown this to some extent too in the late 24th/early 25th century so maybe it was a shared intergalactic civilisational downwards spiral after humanity in particular peaked in the 24th century. We can always make a better now, and should always strive to do so regardless of what we think is coming tomorrow… we need to make the most of every day even if we know or *think* that the future may not be so bright. But when the future is seemingly written in such a bleak way as in Star Trek: Discovery, it can make people think “why even bother”? We can’t even get the writers to fix the unnatural destruction of the Romulan sun and the intergalactic doom that event caused, so I doubt that they will ever undo the burn, but why should they do so anyway? It is their show and imagination and if they want to write a depressing Star Trek dystopian future it is for them to do so. I enjoy all Star Trek, but with all due respect someone has really messed up its positive, inspiring and progressive vision in recent years, IMHO. Prodigy and Strange New Worlds are beginning to break this mold though, and hopefully Picard season 3 will too. Star Trek is not generic sci-if or fantasy or a gritty urban drama and should not be written as such, something has always made Star Trek standout from other sci-fi and I think that this has been ‘lost’ for a while. Something seems to be changing though, but what’s the point as Discovery said it is all going to ‘burn’. :shrug:
You and I watch completely different shows.
 
I bet you watch Star Wars. :rolleyes:
The idea that it's all for nothing because of some future calamity is a nonsense position to begin with to me. Two, Discovery shows that galatic powers were fragmented but not completely "Mad Max style" and that they were working to rebuild after that. Three, as Captain Picard would say he is not willing to give upon on his present for a future he doesn't know for sure will happen yet. So, yeah, spare me the doom and gloom, never mind the fan shaming, when Star Trek can do a lot with what is presented even in the time period before the Burn.
 
Star Treks once positive and inspiring future is doomed to a bleak and dystopian intergalactic ‘mad max’ like post apocalyptical generic science fiction series future
Uh no it isn't.

Even after the Burn the major players still existed just diminished, they were rebuilding the Federation in Season 4, and according to the showrunner in Season 5 the Federation is basically back together, which is why the plot isn't dealing with it.

I bet you watch Star Wars. :rolleyes:
What kind of remark is that? Maybe actually argue your point instead of slinging nonsensical.
 
The idea that it's all for nothing because of some future calamity is a nonsense position to begin with to me.
It would all be for nothing in the long term unless the calamity doom p*rn can be prevented, any positive progression would be lost in such events. Discovery leaves a lot of blank answer questions… for example, we do not hear anything about the Klingons do we? Did Discovery’s future eradicate them as a species or lead to them becoming isolationists? I hope that they explain this next season. Perhaps the Klingons will even join the new Federation? :adore:
Two, Discovery shows that galatic powers were fragmented but not completely "Mad Max style" and that they were working to rebuild after that.
It was like watching a generic sci-go show, they couldn’t even get the Ferengi makeup right. Prodigy *did*. :p
Three, as Captain Picard would say he is not willing to give upon on his present for a future he doesn't know for sure will happen yet. So, yeah, spare me the doom and gloom, never mind the fan shaming, when Star Trek can do a lot with what is presented even in the time period before the Burn.
Please read what I said again, you missed this important part:
We can always make a better now, and should always strive to do so regardless of what we think is coming tomorrow… we need to make the most of every day even if we know or *think* that the future may not be so bright.

:)
 
and the intergalactic doom that event caused
That's a hyperbole. It only effected the Romulans as far as we know.

so maybe it was a shared intergalactic civilisational downwards spiral after humanity in particular peaked in the 24th century
It was said the Federation was at its height when the Burn happened. There was no downward spiral before it.

they couldn’t even get the Ferengi makeup right.
They evolved it, like all Star Trek makeup has since Star Trek started.
 
It would all be for nothing in the long term unless the calamity doom p*rn can be prevented, any positive progression would be lost in such events.
No, not really. Because the people who lived through it would know, learn from it and grow. That's the only point. Star Trek never said "avoid calamity." The opposite in fact. It said that humanity will not get it's shit together until some pretty awful things happen and then we regroup and join forces.
It was like watching a generic sci-go show, they couldn’t even get the Ferengi makeup right. Prodigy *did*. :p
Um, animated shows do not do make-up. And make up changes on the freaking time.
Please read what I said again, you missed this important part:
I agree with that. Which is why the "calamity doom" is not something I'm going to fear in the future with Trek. Make it good and the story will fall in line.
 
No, not really. Because the people who lived through it would know, learn from it and grow. That's the only point. Star Trek never said "avoid calamity." The opposite in fact. It said that humanity will not get it's shit together until some pretty awful things happen and then we regroup and join forces.

Um, animated shows do not do make-up. And make up changes on the freaking time.

I agree with that. Which is why the "calamity doom" is not something I'm going to fear in the future with Trek. Make it good and the story will fall in line.
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Captain Pike for the win.

Or, to quote another great philosopher, "We're so busy watching out for what's ahead of us that we don't take out time to enjoy where we are."
 
Captain Pike for the win.

Or, to quote another great philosopher, "We're so busy watching out for what's ahead of us that we don't take out time to enjoy where we are."
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Unnatural Selection," in TNG Season 2 has a whole research facility based around genetic editing and modification to improve human beings. The end result is a hyperactive immune system that causes advanced aging. Thankfully the transporter fixed it.
The tragedy is that it did not fix the actual problem... it saved Pulaski and the scientists on Darwin Station (an ironic name, since Darwin's theories were contrary to the place's mission). But the kids were stuck in isolation. A grim reminder that the bottle containing the genetic genie is best left corked. And that the laws, harmful as they might be in occasional cases, prevent more problems than they create.
 
Yeah, but Janeway said 26 Federation species. Not all of those are federation species.


One of the writers said the display did not represent all the species in Dal genome. But he could have just been trying to hand wave away an FX error.

Probably either a miscommunication or there was a no direction given to FX team.
Janeway's comment happened several episodes later. I'm pretty sure it all happened like this:
- Hey artists, we need some fancy genetics display, kthxbai.
- Ok, what's in the script? 26 sources?
- Yeah just put stuff on there, no one cares.
- Alright, google shows trek symbols, I'll just put 26 of those here.
[several episodes later]
- Oh Janeway needs to say something good. Dal had several sources, right?
- Yeah, just have her say 26 Federation members.
- But we didn't put member symbols back then, just google results...
- Ah who cares.

We know he has Klingon DNA, because the ridges showed up on his forehead, and they aren't members of the Federation.
They did "join" though :D
 
Star Treks once positive and inspiring future is doomed to a bleak and dystopian intergalactic ‘mad max’ like post apocalyptical generic science fiction series future,
Well, the only thing standing between us and them is a global nuclear war in the next few years which not only goes back to the earliest days of Star Trek, but the Great Bird doubled down on it in the first 30 minutes or so of TNG.

I'm more alarmed when people like Sir Patrick say that Star Trek's optimism isn't realistic anymore. It was created in 1966! It was running during Vietnam, the height of the Cold War, and when Martin Luther King was murdered. For a start.

Optimism is what you make it, i suppose.

The tragedy is that it did not fix the actual problem... it saved Pulaski and the scientists on Darwin Station (an ironic name, since Darwin's theories were contrary to the place's mission). But the kids were stuck in isolation. A grim reminder that the bottle containing the genetic genie is best left corked. And that the laws, harmful as they might be in occasional cases, prevent more problems than they create.
Hey look! The topic!

Do we think that's a dangerous genie to keep in it's bottle or are we thinking that the fears are very 1990's? (Obviously as an average of "we".) Some sci-fi has people changing their genetic code like Pokemon cards.
 
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