At least Travis hung around for the entire run of his series. He didn't get to do much but at least he wasn't Elnor.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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As slight a development as it was, I think giving Elnor the surrogate son relationship with Raffi in S2 puts him in a better place for future use/development than keeping him hitched to Picard would have. I'm just hoping someone picks him (and Laris) up for the inevitable spinoff.
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Good for Elnor that he was dead for most of PIC S2. The other cast members weren't so fortunate
I completely agree. Now, I know the character was controversial because, yeah, she was legitimately something of a psychopath, but the loss of Georgiou really left a hole in the series. They needed someone with a dark, mean, cynical streak—particularly as the crew was getting all “we’re FAMILLYYYY” with each other. It’s a controversial opinion, so this is just the right thread, but I really miss the dark edge DSC initially had to it. The producers let themselves get spooked to high hell by the backlash of certain outspoken fans; and, over the course of three to four seasons systematically neutered the show. Some of the changes were for the better, yes, but many have just left it feeling rather beige ala TNG and VOY. It seems the current producers largely want to ignore DS9, but DS9 showed how you deal with a “family”—you don’t strip everyone of their differences, their conflicts and having a basic personality. That’s an essential element of what makes families family and what makes humans human.
At the very least they need to #MakeStametsGrumpyAgain.
Star Trek prefers to be beige and to avoid conflict right now.
I feel like they really missed a trick by not letting Mr. Absolute Candor run around LA with Rios. You'd get the same comedic potential as Spock and Kirk from Voyage Home, with the added complication of Elnor viewing decapitations as a legit way of escaping a dicey situation.
Agreed.
And DS9 did the family vibe right... they allowed completely different backgrounds, cultures, values, and points of view and made it work without stripping anyone of their core selves.
My wife recently asked me if we should have a relaunch of DS9. My response: "Not with the current writers."
Having said that, the LD episode "Hear All, Trust Nothing" was a superb love letter to DS9. Which, by the way, EVERY episode of season 3 had a reference or element of DS9 in it. My Niner heart was all aflutter.
If there is one place where a DS9 relaunch or continuation could happen, it's there. Or at least in that format. But definitely get Behr and at least some of the writers back, though.
If there is one place where a DS9 relaunch or continuation could happen, it's there. Or at least in that format. But definitely get Behr and at least some of the writers back, though.
Elnor was supposed to have a bigger role in season 2, "exploring his sexuality" until the change in showrunners. He was essentially written off instead and won't be back for season 3 (like everyone else bar Raffi and Seven)
Speaking of season 3 of PIC, it just hit me... assuming he is in every episode of the upcoming season, Michael Dorn will have been in 286 episodes of the franchise, and 5 movies.
That's a lot of shiny baldric onscreen.
You think he'll lobby to get to 300?
That's a lot of shiny baldric onscreen.
You think he'll lobby to get to 300?
Only if he gets to shout "This is KRONOS!" and kick someone off the capital building of the Empire or something.
Or he could drive in an Impala in his 300th episode.
(The only genre actors I can think of that did 300 or more episodes of a franchise are the Winchesters. That's where I got the idea.)
I can't stand Lower Decks.
[Whispers] ... This is controversial?!
There’s two kinds of people on this board: people who like Lower Decks, and people who are wrong.
I love the "Lower Decks" episode of TNG....does that count?There’s two kinds of people on this board: people who like Lower Decks, and people who are wrong.
There’s two kinds of people on this board: people who like Lower Decks, and people who are wrong.
That's not a controversial opinion that's just cold hard fact
Now I'm gonna share a controversial opinion that I realized I have just today: Even with not liking all the shows I enjoy the current era of Trek more than any of the ones that preceded it.
There’s two kinds of people on this board: people who like Lower Decks, and people who are wrong.
hells to the yeah
I really want to like Lower Decks... does that count?There’s two kinds of people on this board: people who like Lower Decks, and people who are wrong.
Half credit.
Lorca was great. And Discovery's MU interpretation is one of my favorites.
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