Spoilers Willow sequel series on Disney+
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It was not what I was expecting but I enjoyed it quite a bit, as a character piece that worked really well. Putting the (not anachronistic, never using that word again...) music front and center (literally) this time I thought made the tone and language feel more natural. They even found someone in Scorpia that you could buy as being related to Jade. I liked Graydon's facial hair... On paper I wouldn't think I'd like this episode but pleasantly surprised.
EDIT: oh hey, was that brownie girl wearing a rock t-shirt?
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Brownies came a long way from wearing loincloth and ratskins.
I didn't mind too much when they used a pop song to score the opening chase, since it conveyed the intended energy and tone of the scene. But it was weird to have the Bone Reavers' dance party (a Bone Rave?) set to a pop song. In that kind of a scene, the music should be diegetic, the thing the characters are actually hearing and dancing to.
Interesting symmetry, though, that when they brought the pop music into the episode score proper, they balanced it out by using an original orchestral piece as the end title cue.
It was weird how Rool's daughter was rebellious and impatient with her father at some moments and being his backup performer at others.
When Crimson and Clover is played? At that point the characters are slow dancing and the focus is on Boorman and Scorpia (and later Kit and Jade). I saw the music as setting the tone in the same way as the first piece.
Now I don't hardly know her
But I think I could love her
Crimson and clover
I wish she'd come walking over
Now I've been waiting to show her
Crimson and clover
Over and over
I have no idea of the title or content of the song, and it's irrelevant to my point. I'm talking about the logic of it. Presumably the modern song was non-diegetic, audible to the audience but not the characters. Presumably whatever music the characters were dancing to was something different, something produced live with acoustic instruments of the sort that a bunch of nomads living in the forest would be capable of constructing. So it just seems weird that we couldn't hear the thing they were actually dancing to even though we could hear the characters' conversations.
Okay, it's not unusual for a scene to start out with diegetic music in the background of a conversation, then fade down the source music as the main soundtrack kicks in to underscore the emotion of the dialogue. But at least the source music is established first. We get to hear what the scene sounds like to the characters before it's replaced by music only the audience can hear. But here, there was nothing but the pop song. So given the assumption that a modern pop song playing over a medieval fantasy setting must not be diegetic, the scene gave the impression that the characters were dancing in total silence. Either that, or they somehow have electric guitars in the middle of the forest in this medieval-level society. Either one is extremely weird.
egh.. I think the show doesn't need the pop songs, To me its getting overused, it was fine in Guardians of the galaxy or Thor, but Willow? nahh. But. If your going to do non orchestral, REALLY Lean into it, have a bass guitar booming on every battle.
If it was like that in the original movie? Sure, go for it. But the movie was Pure James Horner orchestral.
If it was like that in the original movie? Sure, go for it. But the movie was Pure James Horner orchestral.
This.
I take it none of you watched Reign, they did this kind of thing all the time on that. It was a period show about Mary Queen of Scots time in France, but used pop songs for most of it's music.
I really enjoyed this episode, it gave us some really nice character development. It definitely didn't go in the direction I expected when it started, but I liked that about it.
After being set up as bad guys, the reveal of what they were really like was pretty fun. Their connection to Kael was not a surprise, I had assumed there was some kind of connection since they were wearing the same kind of bone masks he did.
Jade being a Bone Reaver and Kael's daughter was a huge surprise for me.
Loved seeing Rool again, him and his daughter were hilarious.
The truth plums was a nice way to bring everybody's secrets out into the open.
You've never heard Crimson & Clover? I've heard it all over the place.
I really enjoyed this episode, it gave us some really nice character development. It definitely didn't go in the direction I expected when it started, but I liked that about it.
After being set up as bad guys, the reveal of what they were really like was pretty fun. Their connection to Kael was not a surprise, I had assumed there was some kind of connection since they were wearing the same kind of bone masks he did.
Jade being a Bone Reaver and Kael's daughter was a huge surprise for me.
Loved seeing Rool again, him and his daughter were hilarious.
The truth plums was a nice way to bring everybody's secrets out into the open.
But I assume the pop songs were not used as diegetic music that the characters could hear and dance to. Usually, even productions that use pop songs as underscore in period pieces still use period-appropriate music in contexts like concerts or dances, where the characters would actually be hearing music. I mean, even when Back to the Future Part III used the song ZZ Top wrote for the film to score a Western dance scene, they had ZZ Top dress in period costumes and perform a Western-style arrangement of it with period instruments.
I don't follow popular music, and I've never much cared for the use of pop songs in film or TV scores, so I pay little attention to them most of the time. If I have heard the song before, it didn't register with me, and I certainly didn't know its name or origin.
I haven't watched it since it aired, but I'm pretty sure a lot of the scenes with the characters at parties played out exactly like the one here, with pop music playing while the characters danced and partied.
This is the version from the show but I think they tweaked the bridge.
I meant to say it seemed like it was tweaked on the version in the show itself.
I did find it amusing to see D+ show the characters getting a bit bent. Hey when you’re partying with Bone Reavers...
I did find it amusing to see D+ show the characters getting a bit bent. Hey when you’re partying with Bone Reavers...
Well, the movie did have a love potion, which is the fantasy equivalent of a roofie. Truth plums and whatever Elora was tripping on are pretty innocuous compared to that.
My biggest problem with the show is that it's called Willow but Warwick Davis isn't being given enough to do. I figured the first few episodes would deal with the new characters and setting them up but they've really taken over. Also, not much on what's going on with Arik. I'm still enjoying it despite this stuff. I just think they can do better.
Kristian Harloff, a YouTuber brought up one of the writers said in an article that studio people (non creative people) have too much input in the writing process. The writer also worked on the movie and said there was a big difference between George Lucas and Disney + people.
Kristian Harloff, a YouTuber brought up one of the writers said in an article that studio people (non creative people) have too much input in the writing process. The writer also worked on the movie and said there was a big difference between George Lucas and Disney + people.
Airk
Which they annoyingly insist on pronouncing as if it were "Arik," even though that's not how his namesake pronounced it in the movie.
I swear I was about to check the spelling before I hit post but I was like nah that looks right. I think it is because of the way they pronounce it on the show which is sticking more in my head than the movie and yes it's annoying.
I think that was true of the movie, too.
Ep. 6 Prisoners of Skellin is a pretty fun episode. Christian Slater as "Madmartigan" and the guy playing the troll leader Sarris are able to chew on the scenery a bit to good effect. I think there were some moments where being a fun and light modern show maybe took too much priority such as not being able to shut up while in troll country where they should be in some fear for their lives. It seems a hard balance to nail but being able to be do the serious stuff right can actually make the lighter stuff work better when it comes.
- if my TV had multiple custom profiles I'd make a "lighten up" one that blows out the brightness for all these dark fantasy shows we seem to get now where it's hard to see what's happening
- I'm not quite sure why Allagash had to stay behind other than Slater only being contracted for one episode. I've noticed this in a few shows lately where they don't really sell the need for making a last stand.
- Good Vibrations? The original Beach Boys version? I really didn't get this song inclusion at all.
- if my TV had multiple custom profiles I'd make a "lighten up" one that blows out the brightness for all these dark fantasy shows we seem to get now where it's hard to see what's happening
- I'm not quite sure why Allagash had to stay behind other than Slater only being contracted for one episode. I've noticed this in a few shows lately where they don't really sell the need for making a last stand.
- Good Vibrations? The original Beach Boys version? I really didn't get this song inclusion at all.
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