The definition of masculinity is changing in society---period. Television and movies just reflect that.
The Witcher - Netflix
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The definition of masculinity is changing in society---period. Television and movies just reflect that.
Yeah, dudes, "masculine image of a male character" is not a gendered phrase, at all.
Fearing for a franchise strikes me as an overreacting to news. We have no idea how Liam will be utilized. This strikes me as hyperbolic anxiety over limited information.
Two of those shows are getting/had their fully intended runs. The other two were just not well done--pretty awful actually.
Also, you are not going to get a lot of positive reaction to trailers whose rating are skewed by fate boys.
Also, you are not going to get a lot of positive reaction to trailers whose rating are skewed by fate boys.
So bullshit response to trailer is typical overreacting nonsense. I put no weight to it.
Meh. I've seen all types of heroes over the years. It's all balance.
Its all Bono's fault. He speaks about how he had never thought he'd be a good front man for a punk rock group because his voice and demeanour were never masculine enough. Then he went and inspired a generation of us who went on to hang out with our sons and hug and kiss them rather than teaching them to be manly men and hide their feelings deep inside them.
I love the 80s Predator movie but not because i want to be like any of these men, it has become awesome comedy to me and a sign of the times back then that preferred huge muscular men with cheesy one liners mindlessly cutting down the forest with their guns on full auto,
I'm also extremely fine with the more diverse action cinema these days, the influence of eastern martial arts, female action stars and movies and male action heroes who can actually act their way out of a paper bag. Makes for more interesting movies other than the xth time Stallone or Schwarzenegger blowing everything up.
To me it's almost kind of a litmus test to hear people rant about certain things in modern cinema because you can accurately gauge where they stand socially and mentally, it's quite interesting to me.
I will of course tune in to Witcher season 4 with Hemsworth to see where the story goes. I have not read the books so can't comment on where they deviated and what pissed off Cavill so much he left the role he dreamt of and actively campaigned to get. So i don't have the emotional attachment to this world like Cavill - as long as it's a show that captures my interest i'll be watching.
Good points, FPAlpha. I was disappointed in how much Season 2 deviated from the books as there was so much that was in the books I would have liked to have seen--and I am wondering now if Cavill felt the same way. There was an interview with one of the actresses where they talked about how he is such a fan of the books, he can quote lines directly from them--and how he spent time on set discussing how to accurately represent the books on screen with the directors and film crew. I am wondering now, if that was the actror being polite and if Cavill was really saying "what the f*** are you doing with these books I love"?
What's interesting about this discussion around Cavill is that, while his look for the show seems to be very much drawn from the video game, if I were to only read the books without knowing the visuals from the game I would have a much different impression.
Geralt is very similar to a wizard/fighter combined class in D&D. He is as much an intellectual and a philosopher as he is a physical fighter; he prefers dialogue and negotiation over fighting and conflict; and he isn't meant to be a handsome character by any means.
If Cavill were not a huge fan, and the image from the video games were not in my mind--I would've said that he was miscast if I had read the books before the announcement of this series.
What's interesting about this discussion around Cavill is that, while his look for the show seems to be very much drawn from the video game, if I were to only read the books without knowing the visuals from the game I would have a much different impression.
Geralt is very similar to a wizard/fighter combined class in D&D. He is as much an intellectual and a philosopher as he is a physical fighter; he prefers dialogue and negotiation over fighting and conflict; and he isn't meant to be a handsome character by any means.
If Cavill were not a huge fan, and the image from the video games were not in my mind--I would've said that he was miscast if I had read the books before the announcement of this series.
I wish I could kiss all y'all.
Oh, I'm very upset about Cavill's departure.
He's my favorite Superman since George Reeves. I'm not so interested in what Gunn does with Superman now.
That is what we're talking about, right?
I'm quoting this from the Marvel thread because I don't really want to do a long thing there and this talks about the Witcher.
I read that entire thing trying to see WHERE the 'sexist' remarks/attitude was and could not find anything. Everything written could simply be seen as Cavill not getting along with the SHOWRUNNER (who "HAPPENED" to be a woman) and with the writers and staff who closely backed her.
We already knew a lot of that already from past leaks... It talks about his 'alliance' with a staffer who was a gamer. Which could also easily be seen as an alliance with someone WILLING TO BACK/STICK UP for what he wanted from the games/source material.
If you're going to go 'anonymous sources' then where's the blatantly sexist and misogynistic remarks that he said from that source? Hell, the whole refusing/not wanting to do sex scenes or intimate scenes with women kinda seems less typical 'sexist male actor' to me TBH.
If this was someone leaking about him insulting women. Using curses against them. Inappropriate touching, sexual remarks/innuendo, etc... With examples then sure... but I didn't read any of those so where's the meat to these allegations?
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Yeah, even trying to read between the lines, it's hard to find anything resembling an attitude. We already know there were tensions on set, and that he and the director didn't see eye to eye on the direction. His 'alliance', so to speak, could simply be him talking to a staff member who turns out to also be a gamer who he hoped to be able to talk to the director on his behalf, you know, because sometimes a different tack is needed when people don't get along.
Also, the whole refusing to do nudity thing seems to be normal? Unless something is stipulated in the contract, then an actor has every right to refuse, am I right? Even then, I think they have a right to refuse if they don't feel right about it. I mean, I remember years ago when Emilia Clarke said she would no longer do them on GoT. Yet when Cavill apparently makes the same request, he's deemed difficult and unreasonable. What the hell? The whole thing stinks of a situation that's been way overblown.
Yeah, I get that the director has a vision, and I get she may want to stick to her guns, but it reads like she was feeling threatened by the fact that he had knowledge of the IP. Could have been handled better from the get go. They could have made him an advisor and listened to his concerns.
Alright Tucker Carlson.
Making male heroes with real emotions and actual substance is not feminising. It's making realistic characters. The most recent Bond has earned rave reviews for being more than a cookie cut out super spy. The MCU has vulnerable emotionally open Men with Rodgers and Stark. That gives them actual depth and makes for a more interesting story.
The 80's and 90's can keep their heroes and we'll have new ones.
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It seems like his co-stars normally have nice things to say about him. Millie Bobby Brown had positive things to say about working with him, as does Freya Allan.
When Season 2 came out I was disappointed at the how much it deviated from the books, but as I had only read up to The Time of Contempt, I chalked it up to being unfamiliar with where the story was going. But, the show runners took (are taking?) lots of liberties with the stories and it seems like Cavill was upset at how much the series deviated from the books. I can see how his expressing that could come across to people without a sense of fandom. To date, this seems like Schmidt's biggest job as a Producer so she probably has a lot riding on it. She previously worked on The Umbrella Academy which I like, but I'm not familiar with the source material-- and prior to that she did Season 2 of Daredevil and The Defenders, so she is comfortable taking strong differing paths from the source material.
As for me, I am really uncertain if I will tune in for the Witcher beyond Season 3 if it continues to diverge from the source material. I am also wary of watching series on Netflix now, as it seems just making it into the top ten shows for a month is not enough to get a show renewed--and I'm tired of watching shows that just end after a season or two. I'm actually thinking of investing my time in series that I wasn't able to get around to watching when they were released and I know have proper endings.
You realize that the modern interpretation of what "elves" should be like comes from Tolkien, right? There's no rule that anybody has to follow the Lord of the Rings version in any kind of fiction.
I would not recommend reading Olde English or Norse mythologies around elves.
Shhh...that's a secret. Everyone knows that Big Tolkien came in and tried to suppress all other knowledge of Elves that previous existed. Only his type are to be acknowledged. All praise the Elvish Creator!
That's one of my points --dwarfs and elfs were not really differentiated as unique fantasy races--
