DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Pure fucking trash. I avoid Giant Freaking Robot like the plague.
He also wrote and directed Super, which I admit I've never seen, and The Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker, the later 2 are even part of the DCEU. I'm pretty sure it was those last two that got him his new gig, and not the Guardians movies.
The characters and continuity can still be a part of the movies even without them tying into later movies that aren't happening.
I'm watching the Y: The Last Man adaptation on Hulu, even though I know it's not going to continue. And there are several movies I've watched that were meant to launch a longer series that never happened.
I see everybody blaming James Gunn for what happened with Henry Cavill, but I think it's the other higher ups at WB who are to blame more than him. It was really stupid of them to make the announcement of Cavill's return when they did, a deal like the one they made with Gunn is the kind of thing that takes ages to work out, so you know it must have already been happening while they were making the announcement. They would have been a lot better off waiting until the deal with Gunn and Safran was done and seen what exactly Gunn had planned before they made any announcements.
Honestly, I'm kind of glad they're letting him do his own thing, instead of making him continue a storyline that he was not involved with. We saw how well that kind of thing worked out with Joss Whedon and Justice League.
This is just one reason why I'm not interested in Gunn's new universe. Besides, I blame the Warner Bros suits a lot more than I do Gunn. But there are other reasons are Gunn's past three productions - "Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2", "The Suicide Squad" and "The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special".
His 2 best movies?
My biggest problem with The Suicide Squad was the over the top gore and humour. To paraphrase what the guy on Honest Trailers said about Black Adam, it felt it was just there to help adult men feel they are watching more than a live action cartoon. "See hon, his face got ripped off--kids can't watch!
Think, man: WB repeatedly claimed they were looking for "Their own Kevin Feige", and of all people, they hired a man who is best known/represented by--where superhero films are concerned--for his Guardians/MCU association. That was the reason WB/Zaslav tapped Gunn.
The problem with this line of thinking is that at least three of the four remaining MoS-continuity films were believed to have some direct or layered ties to the overall universe. Cavill and Gadot's cut scenes aside (in the Flash movie), Affleck's Batman is in The Flash and Aquaman 2, and every hint of plot points up to this time all but shout that his appearances--and thus, part of the stories--are undeniably connected in some way.
Cavill's booting was Gunn's decision. He's never denied it, or the reasons why it happened. He's the content creator--the shepherd of the "new universe", and in his mind, Cavill did not fit in said "new universe". You must remember that Cavill returning dates back to the period where Johnson and his agents (who also represent Cavill) were trying to convince him to return as Superman, which has its roots in the long development of the Black Adam movie--both predating the hiring of Gunn. In other words, this implies Cavill returning was not an issue for WB/Zaslav, right up to the time Cavill took to social media and made his announcement.
...except WB run the risk of making the same mistake all over again. Gunn was hired for his MCU pedigree and no other reason (to be "Their own Kevin Feige"), so it mirrors the same, 500 car pile-up of a reason Whedon was brought in on JL. Only time will tell, but the last month of WB/DC news has been anything other than hopeful.
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Worked for Deadpool.
But there was more to Deadpool than just gore and juvenile humour. However, I should say it worked once. I didn't think the second movie was that good. In true fashion, DC thought "ahhh....people want gore and juvenile humour" and we get Suicide Squad, Doom Patrol, etc...
I'm sure that will be toned down or simple eliminated since it's now part of Disney. Good. They can concentrate on the story and not low brow moments.
I don't think there is.
Who also worked on two productions for them, and I have a feeling that had a lot more to do with him getting the gig than his work Marvel.
Well, Cavill said WB told him to announce his return on social media. My guess is this is the same person or persons that are currently badmouthing Gunn and leak half-truths and misinformation to THR and Variety. You know, people who want to run DC films themselves. Telling Cavill, and through him the fans, that he was back as Superman was basically sabotage against Gunn and Safran.
I'm not usually one to go for conspiracy theories, but that would make a lot of sense.
I thought WB made an official announcement after Cavill's, but maybe not.
I think having conspiracy theories are not just healthy, but help critical thinking, as long as one acknowledges that these are theories and could be wrong. This isn't like tinfoil hat Lizard People stuff, but conjecture extrapolating from available information. If we get new information contradicting my theory, then that's that. I don't know this, it is just my guess.
Oh yeah, it's completely reasonable based on what we've seen from DC.
And I do agree about conspiracy theories in general, as long as they don't go to far into the really out there stuff. And even if they're not true, looking into conspiracies can lead to the people discovering the truth.
And I do agree about conspiracy theories in general, as long as they don't go to far into the really out there stuff. And even if they're not true, looking into conspiracies can lead to the people discovering the truth.
Good point, he does say the studio asked him to announce his return in his final message. I had been focusing on what he was saying when he first made the announcement where there was no mention. Not sure there was any public statement by WB about Cavill's future.
Here Johnson speaks about Cavill around the 3:20 mark or so. This was before the decision to not continue, it's interesting to try to parse what he's saying. It gets messy with Johnson's partner Dany Garcia also being Cavill's manager, I wonder if they all seemed a liability to the studio trying to do an end-around on them for control.
"The studio was not bringing Henry Cavill back...but we weren't going to take no for an answer."
https://twitter.com/TheRock/status/1595517243831377921
Not really. They almost always accomplish the reverse. No one needs a “conspiracy theory” to practice critical thinking. Critical thinking, properly applied, should eliminate over 99% of such “theories” (and a theory is not merely speculation, in any event).
You shouldn’t.
Plausible speculation, in any case, is what you’re each really describing. And such speculation is easily distinguishable from “conspiracy theories” as the latter almost always lack evidence and logic.
I’ll apologize in advance for the pedantry, but I’ve just spent the week grading essays for a methodology course in our programme that focuses on critical thinking and research, and we use “conspiracy theories” as the primary example of what happens when critical thinking skills are not well developed.