Spoilers Andor season one

[Vger23]

Everyone seems overly pleased with this series…but I couldn’t make it past the second episode. It came off as dreary, pedestrian and completely uninteresting.

But, I also consider the source material (R1) to be pretty much the same…so maybe this particular part of the SW saga is just not for me.

 

[Tuskin38]

Everyone seems overly pleased with this series…but I couldn’t make it past the second episode. It came off as dreary, pedestrian and completely uninteresting.

But, I also consider the source material (R1) to be pretty much the same…so maybe this particular part of the SW saga is just not for me.

I suggest you keep going, it ramps up.

 

[Set Harth]

It is drawn out in places. Like devoting three whole episodes to the heist. That was unnecessary.

 

[fireproof78]

Everyone seems overly pleased with this series…but I couldn’t make it past the second episode. It came off as dreary, pedestrian and completely uninteresting.

But, I also consider the source material (R1) to be pretty much the same…so maybe this particular part of the SW saga is just not for me.

It might not be. It is much slower paced than regular Star Wars, even compared to ANH which is actually quite slow. However, the first three episodes set up a mini arc, which might be worth seeing through. But, this was a series I took my time with. I felt no urgency to watch it, no follow up demands. It was shorter episodes that I could watch at my leisure. In that way, it actually made for interesting TV watching.

 

[Tuskin38]

It is drawn out in places. Like devoting three whole episodes to the heist. That was unnecessary.

It was very necessary.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Hey, just a quick thought i didn't get a chance to post.... but for many we have seen in Andor, how much of a change did they see? DOn't forget, the EMpire was essentially the Republic but with new leadership, and some new programs...

The prison planet, while it looked new...was that something that kind had been around for a while?

I am asking because i think for a lot of people, life didn't seem to get much better/worse.

it's kind of like living on the South and West sides of Chicago...we have seen some regime changes, but life hasn't gotten much better for us.

 

[fireproof78]

Hey, just a quick thought i didn't get a chance to post.... but for many we have seen in Andor, how much of a change did they see? DOn't forget, the EMpire was essentially the Republic but with new leadership, and some new programs...

The prison planet, while it looked new...was that something that kind had been around for a while?

I am asking because i think for a lot of people, life didn't seem to get much better/worse.

it's kind of like living on the South and West sides of Chicago...we have seen some regime changes, but life hasn't gotten much better for us.

The biggest change was the extremes that the Empire went in terms of punishments. Offenses were reclassified with higher punishments for minor infractions, which is part of what landed Andor in prison. Not only that, but the prison was structured in such a way to create eternal slave labor. They would never be released but just shuffled around different levels or facilities. The ISB was more empowered to crack down any apparent insurrectionist activity. So, it would be like going to traffic court and getting sentenced to 8 years in jail for what was last year a $100 fine.

 

[Dee1891]

It might not be. It is much slower paced than regular Star Wars, even compared to ANH which is actually quite slow. However, the first three episodes set up a mini arc, which might be worth seeing through. But, this was a series I took my time with. I felt no urgency to watch it, no follow up demands. It was shorter episodes that I could watch at my leisure. In that way, it actually made for interesting TV watching.

The pacing for this series seemed slow in compared to other serialized dramas. I thought some of these episodes, especially the early ones, required some serious editing. Perhaps if Gilroy had deleted a lot of the Mon Mothma scenes, perhaps the pacing would have been better for me.

 

[Set Harth]

In one episode, iirc, there was only one Mon scene. I don't feel like there was too much Mon material.
EDIT: And now that I've started a rewatch, at least one episode has no Mon Mothma at all.

 

[cooleddie74]

Six Years Ago Today we lost Cassian Andor.

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[Morpheus 02]

The biggest change was the extremes that the Empire went in terms of punishments. Offenses were reclassified with higher punishments for minor infractions, which is part of what landed Andor in prison. Not only that, but the prison was structured in such a way to create eternal slave labor. They would never be released but just shuffled around different levels or facilities. The ISB was more empowered to crack down any apparent insurrectionist activity. So, it would be like going to traffic court and getting sentenced to 8 years in jail for what was last year a $100 fine.

I meant the general transition for most Republic citizens... up until Andor, I wonder how much change people noticed. Obviously, we are getting to the point where Palpatine will openly get rid of the Republic , but at this point, people are only NOW noticing a difference... and varies...Obviously criminals (and pseudo Criminals) are NOW noticing a change

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Hey! No spoilers for season 2!

 

[fireproof78]

I meant the general transition for most Republic citizens... up until Andor, I wonder how much change people noticed. Obviously, we are getting to the point where Palpatine will openly get rid of the Republic , but at this point, people are only NOW noticing a difference... and varies...Obviously criminals (and pseudo Criminals) are NOW noticing a change

The transition probably wasn't that great, save for the increased number of stormtroopers, and drafting in to the army. The larger point of the Empire is that people will take it if it offers them something in return, namely safety and security. And Mandalorian highlights this as well. People think they want freedom but when chaos starts occurring they will welcome back security of the Empire, or it's surrogate, with open arms.

 

[cooleddie74]

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I still feel kind of bad for that shore trooper. No soup for him...

 

[TedShatner10]

TROS was fun. I guess I spent all those years being angry at the PT that I am more willing to accept the lesser parts for a story and characters I quite enjoy.

TROS was just outclassed by The Revenge Of The Sith and Avengers: Endgame.

What can I say? I like the ST and still rewatch it from time to time. More than I can say for the PT or Mandalorian.

The Sequels are objectively better movies overall, but the Prequels had a better over arching story (with more memorable planets and a deeper, broader galactic struggle - in comparison the First Order and Sith Eternal were just derived Imperials and the Resistance a rerun of ths Rebel Alliance).

The Mandalorian and The Book Of Boba go down easier if you just accept them as updated 50s/60s Wild West shows (and also amped up with 80s/90s action movie tropes).

Andor is Star Wars' answer to HBO's Chernobyl (it's about a authoritarian regime mired in its loony, inefficient bureaucracy and unable to deal with a looming catastrophe of its own making).

 

[fireproof78]

TROS was just outclassed by The Revenge Of The Sith

Ooof...no, not for me. The only thing that Revenge of the Sith do was cement my opinion that this was all the Jedi's fault and that Palpatine was unbeatable. Which, was confirmed in TCW and Rebels and gave rise (no pun intended) to TROS' Palpatine return. Which I still find more interesting than Anakin's turn...

The Mandalorian and The Book Of Boba go down easier if you just accept them as updated 50s/60s Wild West shows (and also amped up with 80s/90s action movie tropes).

Well, yeah. It goes back to the Western tropes Lucas used in ANH. Feel that is painfully obvious.

 

[TedShatner10]

Fascism is illogical, inefficent, bad at war honestly, machismo, jingoistic, social darwinistic, and at the least chauvinist/supremacist by its nature. No one wins in it but the leader, who has to constantly keep everyone pissed at everyone else so he's not overthrown, and every other lackey just steals and grifts what they can while spouting off about purity and justice and anti-corruption.

Yes and no, it's more complicated than that - dictatorial Russia is failing hard against plucky free Ukraine, but remember Ukraine success itself is still mostly based around legacy Soviet weapons and training like their Russian cousins, the highly effective US Military lost against the rather regressive,
oppressive Taliban, the WW2 Nazi Germans had more grunt level initiative than early British & French, etc.

The Empire is not Putin's Russia, but it does share the broadly same systemic fault with Nazism (and other similar forms of extreme authoritarianism) in that the Sith cultists and Imperial regime end up demanding any person's enslavement or death for arbitrary ideological reasons - it's not an rational and sustainable survival strategy medium to long term.

 

[Dee1891]

The transition probably wasn't that great, save for the increased number of stormtroopers, and drafting in to the army. The larger point of the Empire is that people will take it if it offers them something in return, namely safety and security. And Mandalorian highlights this as well. People think they want freedom but when chaos starts occurring they will welcome back security of the Empire, or it's surrogate, with open arms.

That is one of the reasons Palpatine was able to successfully become Emperor in the Prequel Trilogy.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Clone Wars and the corruption and stagnation that preceded them drove a tired and weary population of the Republic into the arms of a tyrant who promised them safety and security as well as a good life of prosperity. Palpatine basically had much of the galaxy fall right into his lap thanks to engineered crises and exploitation of the everyday fears of the population of the Republic and by the time most citizens recognized they were now living in a dictatorship it was too late for most of them to do anything about it.

It was the fall of the Roman Republic as well as Weimar Germany in sci-fi/fantasty form and pretty effectively executed.

 

[Set Harth]

It was very necessary.

How much time did they spend on "we don't trust the new guy"? 45 minutes?