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Anwar said:
And again, no one has ever bothered asking how those 3 Brothers built that whole darn Grail Temple and built those traps in the first place.
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I was under the impression they hadn't. They just found it during the 1st Crusade. Prior, that society of the Brotherhood of The Cruciform Sword dudes were the ones that established the site as it's found.

Edit: Now I recall why I thought that. Indy's boat assailant said they'd been protecting the secret of the Grail for a thousand years or something, which would put it around 938, prior to the 1st Crusade by about 160 years
 
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I always wanted to know how the other wizarding countries reacted to Voldemort returning and overthrowing the British Ministry of Magic. If Hitler were to suddenly reappaer, take over the German government, and being re-applying all his old policies, other nations would have some very test words to share, at least. (And why, apart from filler, would Rowling introduce guest students from other nations in one year if they're going to be total no-shows in the finale?!) But hey, I guess that extended camping trip was reaaaaally important, for some reason... :P
 
Gaith said:
I always wanted to know how the other wizarding countries reacted to Voldemort returning and overthrowing the British Ministry of Magic. If Hitler were to suddenly reappaer, take over the German government, and being re-applying all his old policies, other nations would have some very test words to share, at least. (And why, apart from filler, would Rowling introduce guest students from other nations in one year if they're going to be total no-shows in the finale?!) But hey, I guess that extended camping trip was reaaaaally important, for some reason... :P
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The books seem to imply that the other countries didn't take Voldemort as seriously as the British Wizards did. One of his Death Eaters was identified and convicted....and was allowed to become the Headmaster of the Bulgarian School despite all that, meaning the Bulgarians Wizards obviously didn't care too much about that.

So to them, it wasn't "Hitler returning", it was just an internal power struggle in Wizarding World UK.
 
So the Knight never says Indy is immortal just because he took one sip. If anything, he said that Indy would be immortal if he kept drinking from the cup and stayed behind the seal like the Knight did.

And besides, look at Indy in the previews for film #5. That look immortal to you? :lol:
 
To be fair. The knight never explicitly said that you have to keep drinking from the cup to maintain immortality either, which is why there's room for interpretation. IMHO, it's implied all over the place though, given the state of the knight himself, & the context of the statement that the grail cannot leave, being followed by saying that its remaining there is the price of immortality (Just like the Kight had to remain there in order to still be around after 700 years)

I like to imagine that if there hadn't been a bunch of wrongdoers botching the whole interaction, the knight might well have imparted a fair bit more useful user guide info about the damn thing :guffaw:
 
Mojochi said:
However, another thing to consider is that it would be remarkable for someone as integral to their relationship as Marty had been to NOT be recognized, even those many years later, as their son, & at some point they just agree that since, for most of his life, other Marty doesn't seem to have a clue about that, they should just keep a lid on it, and play along with Marty whenever he begins acting oddly. The McFly's are probably going be suspect at some point regardless. The kid hangs out with a wacky scientist, who blasts onto their lawn in nutty clothes.
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After seeing Marty grow up, George McFly gradually begins to suspect that his buddy Calvin Klein, who mysteriously disappeared after the Enchantment Under the Sea Dance, was an alien genetically altered to pass as human working in concert with the extraterrestrial Darth Vader from the planet Vulcan.

George theorizes that some point many years later, Calvin Klein and Vader must have returned and abducted Lorraine without her knowledge and artificially impregnated her with Calvin's alien DNA to create a new generation of human-alien hybrids.

They must have been doing stuff like this for over a century in Hill Valley, since old family photos show McFly's who were the spitting image of both Calvin Klein and strangely, Lorraine.

When Lorraine first began to notice their son Marty's resemblance to Calvin, she was confused, so George explained his suspicions to her. Horrified by the violation and implications of the reveal, she nevertheless said to George that they should never tell Marty the truth lest he feel alienated or unwanted.

It came as no surprise when Marty started hanging out with an eccentric scientist, and their suspicions were confirmed when Biff alerted them that Marty had just flown away in a silver flying object that disappeared in a burst of flame.

George made sure to include the Vulcan species in his writing pitch to Star Trek, and later was influential in creating the character Darth Vader with his other buddy George Lucas, hoping to send a familiar pair of names out into space as a signal for the aliens to return and fulfill Marty's alien density... I mean destiny. :vulcan::rommie:

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All these ancient mechanisms, like the Grail Temple traps, secret doors in various pyramids, etc, that rely on carefully balanced hinges and weights and ropes - how the hell are they still working after a thousand (or 4,000) years??
 
In Star Wars, millions of clones were created. Out of those, some decent percentage of them must have deserted and started their own lives along the way. Especially after the Empire crumbled.

So that means, there's probably tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of half siblings and cousins out there who have no idea.
 
^Given how they were programmed, I'm not sure desertion was a viable option for them unless they were defective.

It could be similar to a Vorta believing the Founders weren't gods.
 
What was really the issue with having ghosts be around anyway, that they all needed busting? I suppose there's obviously some that, just like living persons, would be troublesome enough to merit intervention, but you're whining about a librarian lady reading books in the library basement? Frankly, if I worked there, I'd think that was bloody awesome lol

Honestly, if there really were ghosts, & we were seeing them around regularly for any length of time, it would eventually be rather normal. Sure, there was some nefarious shit that brewed up eventually, requiring the Ghostbusters, but until then? Let 'em be imho
 
The Mariah Has Awoken said:
In Star Wars, millions of clones were created. Out of those, some decent percentage of them must have deserted and started their own lives along the way.
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Apparently that is exactly what happened with

Rey's father.

He was not Palpatine's son, as such, but was a clone of him. Created for Palpatine to inhabit once Palps' existing body became too old.

But eventually the clone went rogue and became independent, thus necessitating him and Rey's mom going on the run and leaving Rey behind like that.
 
Ríu ríu chíu said:
So the Knight never says Indy is immortal just because he took one sip. If anything, he said that Indy would be immortal if he kept drinking from the cup and stayed behind the seal like the Knight did.

And besides, look at Indy in the previews for film #5. That look immortal to you? :lol:
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Mojochi said:
To be fair. The knight never explicitly said that you have to keep drinking from the cup to maintain immortality either, which is why there's room for interpretation. IMHO, it's implied all over the place though, given the state of the knight himself, & the context of the statement that the grail cannot leave, being followed by saying that its remaining there is the price of immortality (Just like the Kight had to remain there in order to still be around after 700 years)

I like to imagine that if there hadn't been a bunch of wrongdoers botching the whole interaction, the knight might well have imparted a fair bit more useful user guide info about the damn thing :guffaw:
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What seems to implied by the movie is that drinking from the grail heals everything that's wrong with you when you drink from it. But that means if you are 80 years old when you drink from it you'd still be a perfectly healthy 80 year old. Therefore the Knight periodically drinks from the grail, and gets healthy again (it fixes his starvation), but he's still 700 years old.

What I want to know is, why can't the grail leave the temple? What in grail lore even implies something like that? I know why the movie included it, I just can't think of an in universe justification.
 
UssGlenn said:
What I want to know is, why can't the grail leave the temple? What in grail lore even implies something like that? I know why the movie included it, I just can't think of an in universe justification.
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Think of the kind of people who seek the grail: not Henry (or his son & friends), but Donovan, Ilsa and the Nazis. The grail is--like the Ark--a source of "unspeakable power" in that the wrong people with the most unholy of worldviews / plans gaining immortality would spell doom for humanity. What other reason would the Grail need to remain in the lair, other than to prevent misuse by the worst humanity had to offer?
 
UssGlenn said:
What seems to implied by the movie is that drinking from the grail heals everything that's wrong with you when you drink from it. But that means if you are 80 years old when you drink from it you'd still be a perfectly healthy 80 year old. Therefore the Knight periodically drinks from the grail, and gets healthy again (it fixes his starvation), but he's still 700 years old.

What I want to know is, why can't the grail leave the temple? What in grail lore even implies something like that? I know why the movie included it, I just can't think of an in universe justification.
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Well, real Grail lore does seem to suggest fountain of youth type stuff too, & I suppose there's no reason why this grail couldn't also be used for that, as nothing was said to discount the possibility. Maybe if it has to be used routinely to remain the same age, then slowed drinking from it could've aged the knight, & therefore overabundant drinking from it could reverse aging. This would be a more long-term user function than just the all-encompassing healing power upon a single drink.

The Indy Wiki references some novelization that said the knight aged a day for any time his spirit wavered in faith, and thereby became temporarily unworthy to drink from the cup for a time. This might explain why when we 1st seem him, he's still reading the Bible after 700 years, wherein he'd have to have every word memorized already. He's reading it to proclaim faith & subservience, as perhaps the only way one could remain worthy.
 
Ríu ríu chíu said:
Apparently that is exactly what happened with

Rey's father.

He was not Palpatine's son, as such, but was a clone of him. Created for Palpatine to inhabit once Palps' existing body became too old.

But eventually the clone went rogue and became independent, thus necessitating him and Rey's mom going on the run and leaving Rey behind like that.
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I don't know where your spoiler is from, first i heard of it but it would have made the movies ten times better with at least some backstory and something you could explore. Instead we got what we got.
 
The novelization.

( I believe it says he was a non-identical clone possibly meaning there was other genetic material in there somewhere, so a case could be made that that's tantamount to a son. )
 
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