What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Oddish]

think its absolute biggest sin was that it did literally nothing to convince anyone NOT to do a warp 10 jump and just go home.

Exactly. It would be no problem at all. Just ferry everyone home in the shuttle a few at a time, then antiproton them before they can turn into slugs. Tom reconciles with his dad, Harry has some stories to tell his parents, Janeway reunites with Mark (and Mollie), Tuvok is there to welcome his granddaughter and get his mind meld, Neelix and Kes get to explore the Alpha Quadrant, the Maquis all sneak away unnoticed, and Seska swoops in and claims the derelict Voyager and unites the Kazon under her banner, starting up a new Trek series starring her: Star Trek: Pirate Queen.

 

[1001001]

"The Visitor" is clichéd, cringeworthy, and otherwise generally awful. I guess I should at least give it props for lampshading the first by literally beginning on a dark and stormy night.

Anyone who doesn’t like The Visitor is dead inside.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I will say Tony Todd is the best actor to portray the part of Jake Sisko.

 

[Farscape One]

"The Visitor" is clichéd, cringeworthy, and otherwise generally awful. I guess I should at least give it props for lampshading the first by literally beginning on a dark and stormy night.

Wow... definitely a controversial STAR TREK opinion.

That there certainly lives up to the thread, LOL.



He certainly ended up doing a lot for "The Orville." I think by TATV he was just utterly burned out.

I would agree with that. I think once he became an executive producer, it burned him out harder.

Probably the best way to describe what I feel is this... VGR season 5 and 6. He was the head writer and showrunner for both seasons. And while season 5 was really good, season 6 was, to put it mildly, a schizophrenic mess in terms of quality. You'll get a "TINKER, TENOR, DOCTOR, SPY" one week, and you'll get a "SPIRIT FOLK" the next.

I think Braga was bogged down too much as an executive producer.

 

[Tallguy]

I see no problem with Spock having a foster sister that we never heard about. (Because we heard almost nothing about Spock's past, ever.)

I thought that the story of Michael and Sarek is the best thing that Discovery has done.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Wow... definitely a controversial STAR TREK opinion.

 

[Farscape One]

I see no problem with Spock having a foster sister that we never heard about. (Because we heard almost nothing about Spock's past, ever.)

I thought that the story of Michael and Sarek is the best thing that Discovery has done.

I will say that what we saw in "Lethe" finally explains why there was such a rift between Sarek and Spock. A 50 year mystery solved... so kudos to that. As far as I'm concerned, it was the only justification for making Burnham his adopted sister. (And one of the only episode's of DISCO I can actually remember the title of, because it was so good and it was somewhat standalone.)

 

[Tallguy]

I will say that what we saw in "Lethe" finally explains why there was such a rift between Sarek and Spock. A 50 year mystery solved... so kudos to that. As far as I'm concerned, it was the only justification for making Burnham his adopted sister. (And one of the only episode's of DISCO I can actually remember the title of, because it was so good and it was somewhat standalone.)

And it didn't feel like a mystery solved. But it did feel like a story told. (I love James Frain. But can you imagine if Mark Lenard had gotten to play that scene?)

Oh, and I really liked the relationship we got between Michael and Spock as well.

 

[somebuddyX]

They say in "Journey to Babel" that Sarek was annoyed at Spock for not following in his and his fathers footsteps and since they're both stubborn pricks they stopped talking. it took a crisis to bring them to speaking again.

 

[Oddish]

While I absolutely adore "The Visitor", and think it's one of the best Trek episodes ever written, I can understand that another might not think that way. After all, while I acknowledge that "Duet" was well written and acted, it's not an episode I'd watch again.

 

[Paul755]

TATV is a terrible episode anyway... nothing can really save it. Maybe if it was not the series finale and didn't take place during "The Pegasus", it could have improved.

In my opinion, removing it from the Pegasus time period eliminates a lot of difficulties with the time frame and compressing in to a lot of Pegasus' events. The other side is how the Riker/Troi story intersects with the story told. It honestly struggles to feel relevant to Riker at all, which is a big problem. Plus the time jump from the last episode...

Ok, yeah, there's a lot to sort out.

If it wasn’t the series finale, they had picked a time when Riker/Troi were on the E-E or Titan and if they didn’t kill off Trip it would have been a fine one off crossover episode in the vein of “Flashback” but not as good as “Trials and Tribbleations”

 

[Lord Garth]

It's worth noting that the same showrunner (Jeri Taylor) was responsible for the last season of TNG and the first 3-4 seasons of Voyager - which all tended to have the bland, soap-opera esque vibe.

Ironically, I prefer VOY Seasons 3-4 over TNG Season 7, despite the Showrunner being the same in both of them.

I think it might come down to the fact that in VOY, those were characters Jeri Taylor had a hand in creating, as opposed to characters she inherited. That and it's hard to run into family members in the Delta Quadrant.

 

[Farscape One]

And yet we meet Seven's assimilated dad...

(To be fair, "DARK FRONTIER" was on Braga's watch.)

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I think the Visitor was a very interesting and well written episode. And Tony Todd (who I liked in his other role on the show) was exactly the wrong person to play adult Jake and really dragged the episode down overall.

 

[Farscape One]

I have to completely disagree about Tony Todd being cast wrong there. My opinion may be biased, but here's why.

Back in 2006 (my first DragonCon), he was one of the first actors I got to meet. Truly a wonderful man to talk to... he's actually bigger in real life than on screen, if you can imagine that. Big guy, big heart. We talked for probably close to a half hour. He shared a personal story about himself and why he accepted that role. I always loved the episode and it makes me cry every single time I rewatch, but hearing his story made me appreciate what he did in "THE VISITOR" even more so.



Back on topic, I have a controversial opinion...

In some ways, based on "BEFORE AND AFTER", Chakotay would have made a better captain. Specifically, two things come to mind.

First, promotions. Tuvok, Paris, and Kim were all promoted. Chakotay seemed to understand that despite them being decades from Starfleet, it still means something to people aboard that their good work gets recognized.

Second, according to dialogue from Linnis, there are doctors, plural, on board. From the beginning, there should have been training of more medical personnel on the ship. Besides the obvious need of variety for different missions, if The Doctor was damaged or destroyed, they would be screwed, medically. Clearly, Chakotay understood this very practical necessity. Even THE WALKING DEAD understood the need to have doctors train other people to be doctors.

 

[Trekker09]

I have to agree about Todd not being the right actor for the part...a fine actor probably but nothing connected him to Jake, for me at least.

 

[Oddish]

have to completely disagree about Tony Todd being cast wrong there.

As do I. Tony Todd was a big part of why that episode was so truly brilliant. Avery Brooks did his share as well, but Cirroc Lofton and Tony Todd were the emotional heart of it. The chemistry between him and Rachel Robinson, in the 25th century scenes, was good as well.

In some ways, based on "BEFORE AND AFTER", Chakotay would have made a better captain. Specifically, two things come to mind.

Your two reasons are entirely correct, and there are others as well. As a renegade himself, Chakotay would probably have handled the matter of the Equinox better. He certainly wouldn't have resorted to torture. And, he had the good sense to understand that the Borg were bad news.

Be that as it may, Janeway got a whole lot of stuff right. I don't know if any other captain could have accomplished what she did.

Second, according to dialogue from Linnis, there are doctors, plural, on board. From the beginning, there should have been training of more medical personnel on the ship.

Indeed. As soon as Kes departed, another medical trainee should have been selected, in addition to Tom.

if The Doctor was damaged or destroyed, they would be screwed, medically.

That's why another of Janeway's mistakes was to put up with the EMH's whining in "Latent Image". She should have told him simply that he was the only doctor on board, and they couldn't afford having him decompile himself. So the erased memory was staying erased, period, exclamation point. Put on your holographic big boy pants and DEAL WITH IT.

In all fairness, though, we don't know what Chakotay would have done in that instance.

 

[Farscape One]

Not to mention Janeway letting The Doctor leave in "VIRTUOSO". Only reason he stayed was because fandom on that planet was fickle. Definitely a bad call there. (Though I will say that episode really damages The Doctor's character.)

Janeway did get a lot right, and Mulgrew was great as her. I think if she went through what Chakotay did in "BEFORE AND AFTER" (The Doctor being offline for months), Janeway would have insisted on training more doctors.

 

[Lord Garth]

And yet we meet Seven's assimilated dad...

(To be fair, "DARK FRONTIER" was on Braga's watch.)

I said hard, not impossible.

 

[1001001]

First, promotions. Tuvok, Paris, and Kim were all promoted. Chakotay seemed to understand that despite them being decades from Starfleet, it still means something to people aboard that their good work gets recognized.