Worf was Security Chief and Tactical Officer. Everyone on the ship would know who he was. O'Brien was just one transporter officer at one transporter, not even sure whether he was an officer or NCO. Someone you nodded to after he beamed you aboard, if you happened to use his transporter.
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Worf was Security Chief and Tactical Officer. Everyone on the ship would know who he was. O'Brien was just one transporter officer at one transporter, not even sure whether he was an officer or NCO. Someone you nodded to after he beamed you aboard, if you happened to use his transporter.
Wonderfully Roddenberryesque egalitarian future there kid.
Even when the Great Bird was running the show, the bridge crew would be laughing and joking at the end of every episode, forgetting all about the redshirts who died in the last 45 minutes.
Or they got shore leave to go check out DS9 on the historic day of its turnover to Starfleet.
One other possibility... they already did that ceremony for O'Brien before Sisko arrives at the station. The Enterprise had already been there for days, so O'Brien may very well have gotten a sendoff like Worf when he first went to report for duty on DS9.
The scene we saw was quite possibly just a last look around, since the Enterprose was assigned to leave later that morning for good.
The scene we saw was quite possibly just a last look around, since the Enterprose was assigned to leave later that morning for good.
Good idea for a thread, we usually don't hear that much about DS9 inconsistencies but of course they exist.
Then again, what we'd call an 'inconsistency' in other Trek series, in many cases can simply be shrugged off as 'non-linear' in DS9
I wanted to bring up the Vorta telekinetic abilities problem, but of course that already was done on the first page
The first Vorta they meet seems a fugitive, apparently a victim of the Dominion. Later the Federation thinks the Vorta are the leaders of the Dominion, and only after that they learn the Vorta are in fact the middle men. It might be that the Dominion projects that kind of misinformation purposely as a weapon, too - making 'the enemy' believe Dominion species either have less or more powers than they actually have. In that sense, specialised Vorta such as Eris would fit in their strategy.
A changeling might have made for a more effective spy at that stage when no-one even knew about the existence of the Founders, but it seems they didn't even want to run the risk of handing out that information too early.
They even mask irrelevant details such as the age of the Dominion. Is it 10,000 years old (Weyoun 8) or did it only 'endure over 2,000 years' (Weyoun 4) (while not technically being a contradiction it seems to leave an extremely wide gap on purpose).
Then again, what we'd call an 'inconsistency' in other Trek series, in many cases can simply be shrugged off as 'non-linear' in DS9
I wanted to bring up the Vorta telekinetic abilities problem, but of course that already was done on the first page
The first Vorta they meet seems a fugitive, apparently a victim of the Dominion. Later the Federation thinks the Vorta are the leaders of the Dominion, and only after that they learn the Vorta are in fact the middle men. It might be that the Dominion projects that kind of misinformation purposely as a weapon, too - making 'the enemy' believe Dominion species either have less or more powers than they actually have. In that sense, specialised Vorta such as Eris would fit in their strategy.
A changeling might have made for a more effective spy at that stage when no-one even knew about the existence of the Founders, but it seems they didn't even want to run the risk of handing out that information too early.
They even mask irrelevant details such as the age of the Dominion. Is it 10,000 years old (Weyoun 8) or did it only 'endure over 2,000 years' (Weyoun 4) (while not technically being a contradiction it seems to leave an extremely wide gap on purpose).
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Good idea for a thread, we usually don't hear that much about DS9 inconsistencies but of course they exist.
Then again, what we'd call an 'inconsistency' in other Trek series, in many cases can simply be shrugged off as 'non-linear' in DS9
I wanted to bring up the Vorta telekinetic abilities problem, but of course that already was done on the first page
The first Vorta they meet seems a fugitive, apparently a victim of the Dominion. Later the Federation thinks the Vorta are the leaders of the Dominion, and only after that they learn the Vorta are in fact the middle men. It might be that the Dominion projects that kind of misinformation purposely as a weapon, too - making 'the enemy' believe Dominion species either have less or more powers than they actually have. In that sense, specialised Vorta such as Eris would fit in their strategy.
A changeling might have made for a more effective spy at that stage when no-one even knew about the existence of the Founders, but it seems they didn't even want to run the risk of handing out that information too early.
They even mask irrelevant details such as the age of the Dominion. Is it 10,000 years old (Weyoun 8) or did it only 'endure over 2,000 years' (Weyoun 4) (while not technically being a contradiction it seems to leave an extremely wide gap on purpose).
Eris was on a specialized high risk mission to find out as much as possible about the Federation and the Alpha Quadrant in general. The Dominion didn't know much yet, so they didn't want to risk a Founder. Most Vorta did not have any telekinetic ability, but perhaps it was a special project of their genetic research and she was the product of that research. Acting terribly afraid of the Dominion was part of her act, to sow fear in the Federation and perhaps frighten them away from the Gamma Quadrant. The helpless act did get her a look at DS9, including Ops.
She did tip her hand about having the long-distance transporter. That could have made a nice surprise for the Federation on a later occassion. However, for her mission to be any use to the Dominion she had to get back and report.
That actually does bring up a good point... where did she beam to?
I know we later learn the Dominion's transporters can go several light years, but where did she end up and how did she get her information back to the Dominion?
I know we later learn the Dominion's transporters can go several light years, but where did she end up and how did she get her information back to the Dominion?
Out of the Trek universe, obviously. We never saw her again, after all.
Maybe she beamed back inside HERMAN'S HEAD...
I suppose they could just have had a ship (significantly) out of range. The more interesting question would be how they got that ship there in the first place (seeing as the wormhole is a point they must pass), and how that ship got back to Dominion territory afterwards. Unless the Dominion had ship cloaking technology (and could travel with any other ship or convoy through the wormhole without being spotted), but we never got an indication of that. A possible alternative would be they were capable of beaming through the wormhole directly somehow.
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Given that she wasn't replaced by a clone, it's probable that she was simply stationed elsewhere, while the Weyoun template was selected for Alpha Quadrant operations. But I guess she could have simply been sufficiently fanatical to beam herself out of existence.
Interesting thing... I've been trying to find DS9's five biggest gaffes, the way I did Voyager's. But, the only really big one I can come up with is systematically destroying the Ferengi as a culture. While "Profit and Lace" as an episode was an abomination, it was part of that arc, so I can't really count it seperately.
[QUOTE="Oddish, post: 14326464, member: . I've been trying to find DS9's five biggest gaffes. But, the only really big one I can come up with is systematically destroying the Ferengi as a culture[/QUOTE]
Depends on your POV....as a woman, I wouldn’t call it destroying the Ferengi culture....more like advancing or reforming it!
Depends on your POV....as a woman, I wouldn’t call it destroying the Ferengi culture....more like advancing or reforming it!
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DS9 was definitely far more consistent. I have always felt part of the reason was because the writing staff was relatively unchanged during its run... or more to the point, the head writer changed only once. (From Piller in charge to handing the reins over to Behr.) Compare that to VOYAGER, who changed hands 4-5 times... Piller/Taylor in seasons 1-2, Taylor in season 3, Taylor/Braga in season 4, Braga in season 5-6, Biller in season 7.
There's something to be said about stability.
There's something to be said about stability.
The Dominion must have had at least one ship operating the AQ. Snuck through the wormhole cloaked, with one of the AQ freighters making trips with colonists for New Bajor? Could have been just a Dominion version of a runabout.
I go with some sort of cloak. If not a good enough cloak to fool DS9 or the Defiant's sensors, but good enough to let them hide next to a freighter while it goes through the wormhole. If they could have beamed through the wormhole, it would have greatly simplified the Domain breaking the Federation mines of the wormhole entrance when the war started.
I earlier included (in this very topic) a way by which establishing female equality on Ferenginar could have made sense. My issue was that it occured through the actions of one woman rather than evolution and large-scale effort. Susan B. Anthony was a great woman, but she did not pass the 19th Amendment alone.Depends on your POV....as a woman, I wouldn’t call it destroying the Ferengi culture....more like salvaging or redeeming it!
However, female equality was just one element of the transformation... by the time Zek and Ishka retired to Risa in "The Dogs of War", the Ferengi Alliance was practically Federation 2.0!
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